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AK 3bet - Flop: Fold, Call or Jam? AK 3bet - Flop: Fold, Call or Jam?

04-24-2023 , 01:01 PM
So this is a hand of the Final table of the Daily Deep Stacks §1:

Seat 2: e01acea7 (1,830,701 in chips)
Seat 4: 48e53d71 (335,190 in chips)
Seat 5: Villain (1,324,487 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (602,718 in chips)
Seat 7: 5fb33155 (301,260 in chips)
Seat 8: d928cfd3 (571,262 in chips)
Seat 9: 7bf68de9 (916,212 in chips)
d928cfd3: posts the ante 2,500
e01acea7: posts the ante 2,500
77a36208: posts the ante 2,500
7bf68de9: posts the ante 2,500
Hero: posts the ante 2,500
48e53d71: posts the ante 2,500
2e8d1aba: posts the ante 2,500
5fb33155: posts the ante 2,500
77a36208: posts small blind 10,000
e01acea7: posts big blind 20,000

48e53d71: folds
Villain: raises 20,000 to 40,000
Hero: raises 110,000 to 150,000
5fb33155: folds
d928cfd3: folds
7bf68de9: folds
77a36208: folds
e01acea7: folds
Villain: calls 110,000
*** FLOP *** [7h 8h 9c]
Villains: bets 115,500

How would you continue on the Flop? Fold, Call or Jam? As fas as I can tell Villains playstyle is loose.
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04-24-2023 , 03:22 PM
Forgot to mention, it was Ac Ks
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04-25-2023 , 10:32 AM
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As for the hand - I'm assuming villain is +1 and you are in LJ? If so, preflop seems fine. I think you have a pretty easy fold on the flop. I assume villain's range will be sets, JTs, QJs, TT, and flush draws here. I think AK no heart is just too weak vs. that range. I think you can comfortably defend with overpairs, heart combos, club combos, AJ one heart if you 3 bet that, and maybe AK with one heart.
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04-25-2023 , 06:11 PM
Thank you for the tip and your Analysis. Appreciate it!
So the Hand looked liked this:


Actually I think his range was wider than JTs, QJs, TT and flush draws. I think its like Ax suited and offsuited, all kinds of suited connectors and pocket pairs. Unfortunately I don't remember his PFR exactly, but I'd say it was arround 19%, I believe his VPIP was arround 35%.
So I asked myself what hands would he call a jam with? I'd say with sets, the straight, an overpair, top pair and straight draws (like 9t).
He might fold bottom pair, because he played something like 57s, 33, 44.
He wouldn't call with Ax and qj that is not h.
So thinking about this I believe it was still a fold. Anyway, I was a bit on tilt and pushed. He called and showed 7c 5c and won the pot.
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04-26-2023 , 12:01 PM
Its frustrating to 3b AKs and get called then led into but this board is way too connected to risk it. Just take the L and get em next hand.
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04-26-2023 , 12:35 PM
This has to be a fold. One of the worst flops for your range and hand.

Also, isn't preflop sizing a little big? Almost 4x in position and we're 30bb deep?
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04-26-2023 , 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mlark
Also, isn't preflop sizing a little big? Almost 4x in position and we're 30bb deep?
At a final table with the ICM situation and AKo I might actually just 3-bet jam here.
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04-26-2023 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
At a final table with the ICM situation and AKo I might actually just 3-bet jam here.
Like that idea. I hate to play AKo in these situations postflop and this certain player might actually make a weak call, so that seems like profitable way to play.
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04-27-2023 , 01:36 AM
AKo in particular I'd want to do this with because it's so hard to flop well post. Even AKs I might make a standard 3-bet; I certainly would with AA/KK.

If I recall correctly, with two unpaired cards you're 30% to hit a pair on the flop. With suited cards you're 11% to hit a flush draw on the flop. So even with AKs I might just standard 3-bet because it's significantly more likely to hit the flop.

Shoving 30BB with AKo might seem dangerous with the ICM situation, but I think it's actually the opposite-- you keep the variance down by maximizing your fold equity, and you have a hand you're not afraid to get all-in with but that significantly benefits from maximizing your fold equity and taking it down preflop.
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04-27-2023 , 02:13 AM
Only Problem is, if your opponents figure out that AKo is the only hand you would push all in this situation.
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04-27-2023 , 02:45 AM
In theory, it is. In practice, unless you're playing the same players frequently, it probably won't come up. And the other side is, if your opponents understand ICM at all, they don't want to be flipping for such huge portions of their stack-- it's generally -$EV for them to do so. Even if villain has a significant chip lead (and he'd be putting half his stack at risk by calling, so I wouldn't even necessarily call that significant), I doubt you get called by worse than TT. And if villain's opening range is as wide as it obviously is here, then it becomes a no-brainer.
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04-27-2023 , 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nath
In theory, it is. In practice, unless you're playing the same players frequently, it probably won't come up. And the other side is, if your opponents understand ICM at all, they don't want to be flipping for such huge portions of their stack-- it's generally -$EV for them to do so. Even if villain has a significant chip lead (and he'd be putting half his stack at risk by calling, so I wouldn't even necessarily call that significant), I doubt you get called by worse than TT. And if villain's opening range is as wide as it obviously is here, then it becomes a no-brainer.
The flip side of this is how much variance you want to incur. I think it's somewhere between a little and a lot more +EV to standard 3bet and allow people like this to peel with 75s. AKo in position is going to be printing against someone like this, but we are going to lose at least our 3 bet and most likely a cbet a decent portion of the time. But we're going to win a sizeable pot/stack them a bigger portion of the time.
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04-27-2023 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ojsimpson32
The flip side of this is how much variance you want to incur. I think it's somewhere between a little and a lot more +EV to standard 3bet and allow people like this to peel with 75s. AKo in position is going to be printing against someone like this, but we are going to lose at least our 3 bet and most likely a cbet a decent portion of the time. But we're going to win a sizeable pot/stack them a bigger portion of the time.
Given the ICM pressures of being 4/7 at this table, I would vote for incurring less variance.
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