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08-27-2014 , 11:06 PM
Basically here I'm trying to be disguised and not get too wild pre. Table is aggressive overall. Aside from losing the hand I feel like I'm butchering these spots in general... Thoughts?

    WPN, 300/600 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30043191

    UTG+2: 22,579 (37.6 bb)
    MP1: 11,175 (18.6 bb)
    MP2: 11,234 (18.7 bb)
    MP3: 10,976 (18.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): 19,450 (32.4 bb)
    BTN: 15,610 (26 bb)
    SB: 4,175 (7 bb)
    BB: 8,375 (14 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
    2 folds, MP2 raises to 1,200, MP3 calls 1,200, Hero calls 1,200, 3 folds

    Flop: (5,100) Q 9 T (3 players)
    MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets 1,800, MP2 raises to 9,959 and is all-in, MP3 calls 9,701 and is all-in, Hero calls 8,159

    Turn: (34,719) T (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (34,719) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 34,719 pot
    Final Board: Q 9 T T 2
    MP2 showed K J and won 516 (-10,718 net)
    MP3 showed 9 T and won 34,203 (23,227 net)
    Hero showed A Q and lost (-11,234 net)



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    08-27-2014 , 11:19 PM
    jam pre to avoid coolers post

    std. run better
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    08-27-2014 , 11:24 PM
    without having looked at the spoiler:
    -3b to 3500-3700/gii pre (esp bc it looks like a light squeeze spot if initial opener was active)
    -from your sizing, it looks like you were inducing and villains both obliged...in any case, we're calling all day with top pair and nfd getting these odds
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    08-27-2014 , 11:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by user12345
    jam pre to avoid coolers post

    std. run better
    32.4 bbs effective tho ?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by my_couch_pulls_out
    without having looked at the spoiler:
    -3b to 3500-3700/gii pre (esp bc it looks like a light squeeze spot if initial opener was active)
    -from your sizing, it looks like you were inducing and villains both obliged...in any case, we're calling all day with top pair and nfd getting these odds
    I like this...
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    08-27-2014 , 11:38 PM
    Also want to note that I'm a fairly straightforward player and most players are aware of this, hence when I 3bet they're not really 4betting light vs me, If they don't have it they're typically just flatting and then donking or check-shoving/giving up in my experience on here.. Not to say that we won't get 4bet, just not very likely imo. With that said, what are we doing postflop when we get flatted after 3betting, hypothetically speaking of course are we going with all flops or are we giving up on some flops, If either or both villains come along they will have ~11-13bbs...
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    08-28-2014 , 01:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by user12345
    jam pre to avoid coolers post

    std. run better
    fwiw, I don't necessarily disagree here, would you mind elaborating a bit tho, fairly straight forward I know but as far as pros and cons go, I'd like to say something like what about stacks behind but do we not care with this approach as our hand is good enough vs the whole table, thanks for response
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    08-28-2014 , 01:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by buddahchild
    32.4 bbs effective tho ?



    I like this...
    We are only 25bb effective, and getting in AQs for 25bb can't ever be that bad.
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    08-28-2014 , 01:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by buddahchild
    32.4 bbs effective tho ?
    It isn't 32,4bb effective. You got them all covered.
    The BTN got 26bb which is what you would be risking by going all in, since UTG+2 is the only one covering you and he has already folded.
    So it is 26bb effective.
    But MP2 and MP3 both got 18-19bb, so that is most likely what you are risking.
    Doesn't look too bad to shove 19bb (not 26bb either which actually is what we are risking) to win 6,5bb with AQs, does it?

    If the opener isn't very tight you are well ahead of his range. You are also well ahead of the flatters range. So I really like the shove here. You could ofc 3b aswell, but if you say that you don't think they'll 4-bet you any light and that they might flat you, I think the 3b-shove is the best play.


    edit: Hammerzitzen beat me to it
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    08-28-2014 , 01:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hammerzitzen
    We are only 25bb effective, and getting in AQs for 25bb can't ever be that bad.
    Oh yep, good eye... I like this in hindsight, not cause of loss, cause of what it accomplishes and although one of those guys may get sticky, they likely fold.

    Thx again
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    08-28-2014 , 01:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by omanstrom
    It isn't 32,4bb effective. You got them all covered.
    The BTN got 26bb which is what you would be risking by going all in, since UTG+2 is the only one covering you and he has already folded.
    So it is 26bb effective.
    But MP2 and MP3 both got 18-19bb, so that is most likely what you are risking.
    Doesn't look too bad to shove 19bb (not 26bb either which actually is what we are risking) to win 6,5bb with AQs, does it?

    If the opener isn't very tight you are well ahead of his range. You are also well ahead of the flatters range. So I really like the shove here. You could ofc 3b aswell, but if you say that you don't think they'll 4-bet you any light and that they might flat you, I think the 3b-shove is the best play.


    edit: Hammerzitzen beat me to it

    tyty
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    08-28-2014 , 12:28 PM
    Yeah first thought was shove when i saw stacks behind and there is already 6.5bb out there.
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    08-28-2014 , 12:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by buddahchild
    Also want to note that I'm a fairly straightforward player and most players are aware of this, hence when I 3bet they're not really 4betting light vs me, If they don't have it they're typically just flatting and then donking or check-shoving/giving up in my experience on here.. Not to say that we won't get 4bet, just not very likely imo. With that said, what are we doing postflop when we get flatted after 3betting, hypothetically speaking of course are we going with all flops or are we giving up on some flops, If either or both villains come along they will have ~11-13bbs...
    Also stacks make this spot kinda awkward since when we 3b we obv arnt folding. Also if you are more straight forward and dont have a 3b bluffing range in a spot but stacks are fine for shoving then shoving is possibly the best option. If they peel folding some flops is cool we also have position so checking is an option. If you are auto cbetting in every 3b pot with low sprs its prob not the best. just run some sims in spots like these and get a feel for what equity you have vs what villians are showing up with etc.
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    08-28-2014 , 02:11 PM
    3b to 4200, all in if Vs reraise. In your scenario, never fold on this flop.
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