so just started the ft, 1 from the money with 2 1bb stacks about to blind out, everyone folds to 2nd chipleader who min raises my bb, i dont think hes doing this with a strong enough hand to call my all in here, with so many fish in these who dont care or know about the bubble is it even worth making plays like this


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1382 M = 0.46
MP1: t6274 M = 2.09
MP2: t2793 M = 0.93
CO: t5430 M = 1.81
BTN: t805 M = 0.27
SB: t15065 M = 5.02
Hero (BB): t26244 M = 8.75
UTG: t9507 M = 3.17

Pre Flop: (t3000) Hero is BB with 4 2
6 folds, SB raises to t3200, Hero raises to t16000, SB calls t11790 all in

Flop: (t30580) 2 T K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t30580) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t30580) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t30580
SB shows 5 5 (three of a kind, Fives)
Hero shows 4 2 (a pair of Deuces)
SB wins t30580

sick call by him, he played it like he knew i had 42o

Yeah sick call, I snap shove your spot though none the less. This looks more like a bad beat post imo. std shove std donkcall.

You must know your opponent. For a shove with 42o, you must be sure that your opponent understands ICM and will fold for this to be profitable.

id assume 90%+ of people in these stakes do NOT understand ICM...you can bet your ass they are aware of the bubble, though. in general its probably better not to be the hero and just be super aggro in spots when no one has entered yet. unless your image is super tight and you have shown down the goods with this table all day, in which case bombs away.

wow, sick reshove. Yea I don't know why guy didn't shove. Whatever.

Which if he did chances are he would shove... or just raise with KK+.

There's no way in hell shoving 4-2 here is profitable.

Uhhmmmm....shoveing over this raise is def.+EV especially if your the CL. Just simply the victim of a horrible raise and a bad call.

You sure he hasn't seen you do something nutty before?
He is getting about 2:1 on his call.

weird he didn't open shove though.

Edit: I am a bit jaded from playing micro MTT/STT's because loose calling is out of hand at times. Question, isn't the villain's stack a bit small to be trying to resteal on?

I disagree with resteal here.

With shorties You understand ICM and obv villan doesnt or he wouldve shoved.

So knowing that now.... We can say that you have to fold.

Beyond that, you have no real value here when you can use this moment as a fold to induce later. seriously he will do this again and you can resteal then, (preferably after the shortys bust).

I would fold and just open steal from these guys.

I just started playing these so i have some to learn obv, but I think open shoving 24 is better than restealing vs an already invested moron who cripples us.

Villain is rarely going to fold. It's a bad and -EV call for him, but he's still going to make it and it's also very -EV for you.

If you had some specific reason based on past hands that made you think he would fold, or you had a hand with a bit more equity than 42o, I wouldn't mind it.. but I think in this case it's pretty spewy.

Nah,if villain's good,he's probably not raise/folding.If he's bad,he might raise/fold,but will also make bad calls.

wow yeah, no way this is ever +ev vs randoms in 6.50s. They just don't understand ICM. Fold pre, save your stack for more obv spots to abuse bubble.

yeah this is awful

prolly not terrible, depends on the player tho as you will still see a raise/fold from donks here a lot.....I think our range should be a lil tighter than 42 to shove here tho

Man, this has absolutely nothing to do with fold equity or cEV. you are paralyzed vs that Villan until the shorties bust.

You cannot be doing this once you make it this close.

89ss, 22+, 9To, 64ss any of these are better hands that I might consider doing this with, but I am still pretty sure that doing this with those chip stacks with anything less than AQ+ 88+ is not going to end well.

i'd never reshove here unless i know that he is good and will fold a large part of his range due to icm

vs level 1 thinking "i haz a pair i call""i haz A9 i call" your move is pretty useless.

i like it

This

You want to be abusing the players with the 20-30 bb stacks by re-shoving on them light as it makes it very hard for them to call off their stack close to the money / short stacks still around so there's not a perceived need for a gamble.

I hate this shove, this guy is getting 2/1 on his money so he should be calling with any two here, he only has 10bb to start the hand so you have pretty much no FE ever, and its not like 42o is ever going to do well against an AI

wat

I honestly probably do this in game then bitch to myself about how ****ing terrible the guy is to make such a hugely -ev call for both of us, take a note and move on. There are so many people that will raise fold here its sick.

Also doing this against a decent reg who understands icm would be suicide because he is never raise folding any part of his range. Against ****ing terrible regs i don't mind it though as well.

stanski seems to make some good points i noticed

teach me stanksi

well you have to give credit where credit is due. he is one of the few people on here that i ever find myself agreeing with although i doubt he would take that as a compliment!

btw - i dont agree that this is a good play here but his point about only an appalling reg will raise fold here is correct and noone else seemed to make it which is the obv flaw in the rr all in here as both good players and bad players will call. only players who think they are good but arent will fold. as anyone who puts in a raise here without knowing they are calling a shove is just attrocious.