100/300/300

Hero opens UTG to 800 (22k)
UTG+1 3B to 2400 (covers)
Hero calls

I called here as I think this guy is quite active and I would say he assumes im pretty solid so dont want to push him off his hand as of yet plus there will be 5500 in the pot and ill have just shy of 20k so I think I can get the money in on the turn or river too

Flop Ks8h5d (5500)
UTG+1 bets 3000
hero 8000
UTG+1 all in
hero calls

I think I made mistake on this flop by raising. In hindsight I think a call is best. but do we have to stack off here if we slowplay or as starting hand 73bb deep is that too much to stack off to

Yeah no real reason to raise such a dry flop. The whole reason you call sometimes with aces is to protect your calling range and it makes a perfect candidate to call down with against aggressive barrelers.

Personally I would have preferred a small 4-bet pre. He's probably pretty strong 3-betting UTG+1 and you don't want to miss out on the chance to cooler him when he doesn't like the flop.

As to whether you can get away on the flop, I would say possibly against nits but stacking off isn't a punt or anything.

The typical rule of thumb is that stacking off with an overpair when SPR is under 3 on the flop is usually standard. SPR of 3-5 which is where you were at is "it depends" territory. You can sometimes stack off but should be a little more cautious. SPR over 5 you typically want to be very selective about stacking off with an over pair.

Here I'd put him on something like KK, AK and maybe some KQs or 5-10% allowance for random spew. You're blocking AK which is what you're hoping he has, but there are still enough AK combos that you can't really fold, IMO.

75bb deep OOP is not the time to flat AA imho. As played gii.

Yeah, you're deep enough that you should 4-bet pre. Around 40BB you might consider trapping.

That said, I don't know the optimal line here, but I don't think going broke is really a mistake. Sorry you ran into KK/88.

If we 4 bet pre I would be jamming so it looks like we can have hands other than AA (like AK/QQ/KK). If I was going to make a 4bet preflop that wasn't a jam I would make it about 6,000. The reason I don't like doing that OOP is that UTG+1 will basically always call and we won't know if they hit a set if a K/Q/J/T hits the flop. Especially if there is more than one of them.

My preference here would be to jam preflop especially if we can buy back in if we get sucked out on.

As played I wouldn't raise on the flop because we would be letting UTG+1 fold out all hands worse than AK and if Villain has AK they will continue to bet on the turn anyway and we may be giving them the opportunity to fold on the flop.

Because we under repped our hand pre-flop I would just call down. If Villain checks back the turn we can bet the river and it is possible they will call with QQ/JJ/TT. If Villain bets the turn and makes a blocking size bet on the river we can jam then but I doubt we would be called.

4b to 6600

Flop is wtver, i think calling is better but its not a huge mistake to raise/call off.

The mistakes you made is not 4b pre flop and raising the flop, as played now I don't see how can fold with so much invested. I get the reasoning, but sometimes getting to cute with AA can cause more head aches in the long run.

If you call pre just to raise fold otf I would say that is not the most optimal line in the long run.

I like what Mr Rick was saying about shoving... ranges are strong here and if he's been active he might call light (especially if he covers) thinking you were taking a stand.

Your hand is pure 4bet frequency even if villain is ''active'' his overall range will be ''tight'' enough (early position) to defend against a 4bet. I can see some merit flatting if you are co against btn when villain would be very wide and more polar, earlier position have linear ranges even if players are active which can defend against your small 4bet. I dont see any merits of flatting. Xraising flop is fine and obv you have to bust, its not like he will not show with KQ AK sometimes, since you dominate his value it is near impossible to fold

What's the buyin? How do you perceive the quality of Villain?

What I mean is that on lower buyins you will find quite a few "active" players that very well might play like this on the flop when they hit top pair/top kicker and another player shows interest. They could also do things like 3-bet with small SC:s pre and if they hit a good draw they will be more than willing to play for stacks on the flop.

Such a player doing like this OTF with AK or 76s wouldn't surprise me at all. I found it much less likely he would 3-bet you from this position with 55 or 88. Even "active" players would normally call with this hands for setmining.

The remaining hand would be pocket kings or a pure and bad (in this spot) bluff.

His sizing on the flop also doesn't indicate a solid player. So I feel I want to call here. If he has pocket kings so be it, and all other likely hands we're ahead of.

EDIT: The two other aces is also a hand the type of player I tried to picture above could play like this. It's low probability of course, but from time to time we all will find us up aginst a player with the same pair. I had an allin the other day with QQ and got called by the other ladies.