I would appreciate any comments on my play / questions on my thoughts for the hand below

Thanks in advance


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UTG+2: t3721 M = 49.61
MP1: t5315 M = 70.87
MP2: t5775 M = 77
CO: t3885 M = 51.80
BTN: t3705 M = 49.40
SB: t2409 M = 32.12
BB: t2550 M = 34
UTG: t3740 M = 49.87
Hero (UTG+1): t4855 M = 64.73

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t225, 1 fold, BTN raises to t666, 2 folds, Hero calls t616, MP2 calls t441

Flop: (t2073) 3 7 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, BTN bets t1111, Hero calls t1111, MP2 folds

Turn: (t4295) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (t4295) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Preflop is ok I suppose, but I would usually reraise here. post flop you missed out on alot of value. I would have reraised all in on the flop. He has alot of chips invested and cant get away from most hands he is betting here. If he has a set (which is unlikely given his big flop bet) then so be it. If I flat the flop here, Im looking to take the hand on the turn.

raise pre the first time
check raise flop
bet somewhere

like you got dealt AA and did not take 1 aggressive action they were wasted on you

You need to get your chips into the center. Your line is:

Limp/call pre.
Check/call flop.
Check turn.
Check river.

And that's really, really bad. I would have open-raised pre... and as played, I would 4-bet pre because people aren't folding very much at all after 3-betting. As played, check/raise the flop. Bet the turn. Bet the river if there are chips left. Basically, you want to do the opposite of what you did on every street.

I don't like the limp pre this deep, you are basically just asking to get owned by doing so.

As played, I actually really like the limp/call over the limp/reraise, as it does a much better job of disguising our hand and makes us look like a fish.

On the flop, I think it is close between raising and calling, don't mind either play.

Once you call the flop, turn check is mandatory.

Once villain checks behind on the turn, you have to shove the river.

Oh wow I didn't even see you limped at first. I thought you just cold called IP.

Raise pre. As played 4-bet. I might just shove since it looks weaker and BTN seems to like his hand and we get full value out of AK or AQs or whatever he has. Or if you're going to flat call, c/r his flop bet.

Thanks for your comments so far. Ill give you my thoughts on the hand and would appreciate any further comments.

I decide to limp with the hope of getting more value for my hand. I was hoping for a raise & expected it, as limpers were being attacked on most hands so far. I decided i would flat should i get raised, anything else i felt would practically turn my hand face up.

What i got was more than i expected! I was more than happy & willing to play my hand oop against 2 players. No reason to change the plan so i flatted.

When i seen the 3 bet i considered shipping as i thought we could get it in there & then. I decided against it though, as i thought i would possibly chase the original raiser away & quite possibly the 3 bettor too. By flatting i was also opening the door for the original raiser to shove, at the same time giving him the chance to flat, add to the pot & hopefully ship some chips my way later on.

Come the flop i check it to the aggressors hoping they continue as they did pre. One does, making a half pot c/b. He has left himself a 1/2 pot bet, therfore i see him as having a strong hand and being comitted, at this stage i flat hoping to keep the original raiser in too but it wasnt to be as he passed.

Come the turn i check again hoping the btn ships, i can't see him with any drawing hand in his range that matches his line, bearing i mind i have the A ruling out AK that can have me beat come the river.

Any good drawing hand won't pass here, so no need to try protect my hand from such as i can't. 99 is possible but i can't see it here, does anyone think this hand is likely in this spot?

On the river i felt i would give him one more chance to ship, ive played the hand without any signs of aggression so far and thought by continuing to do so i would give him one last chance to stack off.

I feel i would play the hand same way again pre, flop & turn but as for the river im not so sure and would look to stick it myself should the situation arise again.

No, no, and NO...first off, raise this preflop. Do not get too tricky with AA or you will run into trouble more often then not. I mean, you limped and allowed all these guys to see a cheap flop. Why would you do that? You have set yourself up to get your aces cracked big time. As for the rest of the hand, who knows....I mean you need to get your chips in but its very possible you will be getting them in bad now. I guess you saved yourself some chips by chewcking it down but you really made a big mistake preflop imo.

you checked the turn and the river ..

i would have been raising pf and all in post

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It cost them approx 13.5 bbs each to see the flop not exactly cheap.

What hands / range is it your fearing in this hand?

Im happy to go in against the two of them with what i perceive to be both their ranges in this spot. Pre 70% + Equity easy, post approx 80%

Uhhhh, it didnt 'cost' them this, they made the bets. If you would have raised 13.5bbs then it would have 'cost' them.
Limping pf if your absolutley convinced your getting raised, okay whatever. But not 4betting??? Your getting called by dominated hands like jj-KK, AK, maybe AQ and folding out hands that create wierd spots pf. If they both fold you win a sizable pot risk free, if they call your getting it in good, as opposed to spazzing on later streets when your dead (or f'ing checking down LOL)

thats too bad cause you line sucked as bad as it possibly could you did absolutely everything wrong

agreed this looks like a standard fishs advanced thought process

I just open the pot the first time

once it is bet and 3 bet I cold 4 bet small cause they are both calling

as played I donk lead the flop

Why is checking the turn mandatory? Btn has already put in about 1/2 his stack and showed alot of strength, why not lead the turn?

make it like 1250 pre>get reshipped on by JJ> profit

Don't just call pf for a start

Open raise, don't openlimp.

Once you limp and it goes raise-3b, just 4b. Given your bad openlimp there's no avoiding virtually turning your hand faceup as super strong now, which sucks, but hey, your bad. That being the case just jam, it looks more goofy/suspicious, plus the 3bettors range is probably pretty narrow anyways.

Given the limp-coldcall pre just c-shove flop. Villain very likely has a big pair he isn't folding.

Your limp works JUST how you want it to. Save the thought process you need to shove pre.

plz just raise and play from there on...

Of the hands you play out of position, how many do you raise? All? Your hand may be face up anyway. Unless you are limping with drawing hands oop, which is also bad. What is your table image? If you have been playing TAG poker a raise PF should say you have a hand, not turn it face up, so you may get called or raised by a dominated hand.

As played (open limp) then after the bingo raise and the re bingo re raise, why not at least double the pot. To win it uncontested is always good, and its nice to have your oponents fear you and wonder if they are being worked all at the same time. There are peripheral benifits to raising here other than imediate value (whice is there btw)

Assuming we open limp and then flat (still dont like it) what happend on the flop? Either donk out to shut down a suck out or check raise for value. If played differently pre, check call could make sense, but it wasnt, and it doesnt. Again, if the check raise makes for a fold, you have other benifits than just the value (wich may still be there). And if they call the check raise, what else could you possibly want?

Now as played (poorly) on the turn I would say bet. If he bets your calling? What ever happened to raise or fold poker?

This is not a shot at the OP but I would be suprised if you are a winning player. If you are Im guessing you could make more, if you are not, Im thinking at least part of why is becoming aparent.

Im not very good at this game, but this is my take.

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Theres 966 chips in the pot when action gets back to you Pre flop thats 26% of your stack. ship it.

Shove pre or at least raise 1500-2k pre and shove flop. Dont worry too much about cutting off action 3 way at least 1 villain is getting all their chips in so a nice HU pot and DU if you play it correctly, your trying to be sneaky (the bad version of) and getting greedy but in a crappy passive way, raise more.