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11-05-2023 , 09:18 AM
Early stages of a 6-max 5$ buy-in 1000$ gtd tournament, 1,1$ bounty on everyone. No reads on villain, but calling twice from SB pf is something to note.

Button 65bb
SB (villain) 79bb
(HERO) BB 105bb

6 players post 0.08bb ante. SB post sb 0,5bb. BB post bb 1bb

Hero has 9h9s

Fold, fold, fold. Button bets 2bb. Sb calls 1,5bb. Hero raises to 7bb. Button folds. Sb calls 5bb.

Flop (16,5bb) 3c5h6s

Sb check, Hero bet 6,6bb, SB raises to 18,1bb, Hero calls 11,5bb.

Turn (52,7bb) 3d

SB bet 17,4bb. Hero fold.

Would love some feedback on my flop+turn action. And is my 3-bet size too small pf? On the whole, looking back I do not like how I played this at all.
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11-06-2023 , 09:36 AM
I think you played it OK - yes maybe 3b a bit bigger but habitual caller from sb suggests fit or fold type player and raise on the flop & bet on the turn from this kind of player is pretty nutted
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11-06-2023 , 12:25 PM
If you are going to fold to a 1/3 pot bet on the turn, why not just fold on the flop and get it over with?
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11-06-2023 , 12:25 PM
And yes, the 7BB 3-bet is good in an SRP but once the limper is in there you should go to 8.5-9.
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11-06-2023 , 05:56 PM
I'd go even bigger considering we're OOP and this deep and have a caller in between. 8.5-9 is closer to what I'd do with no caller. I might bomb it to like 12.

It's a regular KO, not a PKO?

Flop spot kinda sucks because if our pair was a little better I'd feel more confident we're not up against a bigger overpair. At these stakes though I might just get it in on the flop anyway, especially considering we're against a twice-caller and not the raiser. If we lose to a set so be it. Turn fold is a little strange to me because that's one of the best cards you can see-- it reduces the possibility of sets and puts you back ahead if he came along with 65s.
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11-06-2023 , 07:23 PM
Somehow I convinced myself they would not have called twice pf with 65s. But yeah, propably should not fold to such a small turn bet after bet/call on flop.

Still learning the game, getting feedback from better players is invaluable, thank you all!

Edit: And yes, sorry, it was a PKO format, what I meant everybody at the table had the first level bounty on them.

Last edited by parlouray; 11-06-2023 at 07:36 PM.
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11-07-2023 , 02:44 AM
In a PKO where you have both players covered you should definitely be playing this faster. I probably just get it in on the flop. If I think my opponents will call wide in order to gamble and build a stack early, I might just fully 3-bet shove preflop here just in case one of them wants to call off with worse.

I mean, yeah, SB's line postflop looks extremely strong, but it's also a $5 and you don't have any specific reads-- lots of people at those stakes will overplay these spots early on.
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11-07-2023 , 02:13 PM
I agree with Nath. A lot of times on boards like this you see people go crazy with hands that contain a pair plus a straight draw. So for instance, villain could have 54 and be willing to go all the way with it. True, the hands of that type containing a 3 now beat you, and you lose to all the flopped sets and some of the flopped two pairs.

It's close. With shorter stacks you definitely can't fold this. But this is a hard spot imo.
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11-07-2023 , 02:17 PM
Hands we beat:
  • 88
  • 77
  • 44
  • 65
  • 64
  • 22

Hands we lose to:
  • 66
  • 55
  • 33
  • 53
  • 43
  • TT
  • JJ

The sets are statistically less likely and someone who plays TT or JJ this aggressively would likely also play it aggressively preflop. So on balance I lean toward getting the money in here. You will be up against something like 77 or 54 far more often than a set.
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11-07-2023 , 02:20 PM
Additionally, look at his turn sizing. It feels to me like he is getting cold feet. You have cash game level stacks so he should be sizing normally, which he did on the flop. Then suddenly on the turn he bets 1/3 pot? He should be betting 2/3 pot here, or even more. So he either has a set that filled up and is trying to suck you in (again much harder combinatorically) or he is no longer sure his pair + draw/counterfeited top 2/overpair + gutshot is as good as he thought it was on the flop.
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11-08-2023 , 05:09 PM
Good advice from everyone, hope to take even some it to the tables next time
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11-09-2023 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
Additionally, look at his turn sizing. It feels to me like he is getting cold feet. You have cash game level stacks so he should be sizing normally, which he did on the flop. Then suddenly on the turn he bets 1/3 pot? He should be betting 2/3 pot here, or even more.
I don't think this is necessarily true. SB has slightly more than pot on the turn; a size down could certainly be warranted with a monster to try to get the money in over three streets. If OP calls the turn, SB has less than 1/2 pot on the river to shove.
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11-11-2023 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I don't think this is necessarily true. SB has slightly more than pot on the turn; a size down could certainly be warranted with a monster to try to get the money in over three streets. If OP calls the turn, SB has less than 1/2 pot on the river to shove.
This imo. I don't mind calling down on ~most boards given the stakes and it being early in the tourney, assuming there are rebuys. Big stack early in a bounty tourney is also very nice.

Agree that the turn is usually not a fold if we're calling the flop. What turns are we folding here? 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 seem like our worst turns.

4 means we now lose to 44, 34, 54, 77
5 means we now lose to 54 (blocks 1 of the 3 flopped sets)
6 means we now lose to 67 (blocks 1 of the 3 flopped sets)
7 means we now lose to 67, 54, 44, 77
8 means we now lose to 54, 88

Maybe fold on a turned 4 and 7 and call everything else? Also wondering if we should evaluate the likelihood of a strong hand checking down even on scary turns. For example plenty of sets will check at least 1 street on a turned 4.
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