Full Tilt Poker $18K Super Stack (Early Antes) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players
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BTN: t12060 M = 50.25
SB: t8328 M = 34.70
Hero (BB): t3419 M = 14.25
UTG: t4331 M = 18.05
UTG+1: t4925 M = 20.52
UTG+2: t4292 M = 17.88
MP1: t3304 M = 13.77
MP2: t10074 M = 41.98
CO: t4930 M = 20.54

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG raises to t500, UTG+1 calls t500, 6 folds, Hero raises to t3409 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t2909

Flop: (t7458) (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t7458) (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t7458) (2 players - 1 is all in)


Is here shove possible ? What stacksize you can shove this with pocket 99 ? What range you can shove here and how you can play TT - JJ here ?
Both players are random without history (7hands).

readless i play the same

UTG is an idiot whatever he has,

UTG+1 might have KK+ but w/e 66/77/88 is as likely, most will not flat JJ+ here. CIB with aces, shove AK, etc. he is just not rangeable.

with all the money in the pot shoving seems the best option.

as for the range, 99+ AQ sounds ok to me. if you fold 99 and AQ its not a big leak.

UTG played the hand very weird, but UTG +1 has a very wide range, the smooth call of 500 looks very weak to me, so in my opinion you are justified in shoving 88+ maybe AJs AQo its a very close call but i think 99 is a good shove here

how much blinds are you shove here ?

i think, UTG2 havent 3bet range here

i think we are too deep to shove. i call or fold pre b4 i shove over a utg 5x open with 34BB effective stack, even in blinds and antes. he is never open folding with that sizing imo. we flip with 2 likely hands, but we are screwed by the rest. the bottom of my range would be 10's and that is thin readless. be much more happy with JJ.

granted with reads he is doing this far too wide, then it becomes an ez shove. i think everyone else is assuming he is doing this wider then i am, which may be right, but we just dont know yet.

and i dont see a need with this stack to take a marginal shove readless. we have plenty of chips to see some hands on him and get better spots in a few orbits.

I dont blame you for shoving, its probably plus ev, but imo its variant without an idea of what villain does this with, bc it easily could be monster starting hands and that is it. the thing is we just dont know yet.

if this i +ev spot, i cant fold it with foundation, that i dont need this spot

UTG may be an idiot, but that doesn't make shoving good, if he is 5xing a tight range, I just fold. But it's fine to jam here versus loose idiots, if he's reasonably active I jam as well.

[QUOTE=rrumsey182;22176695]i think we are too deep to shove. i call or fold pre


calling is really wrong option

pretty ez fold readless imo. we're no better than 35% against either player's continuation range. It might be marginally +cEV, but I don't think this is profitable overall.