4 Left in 8r 2x, can't remember numbers on each player. But SB had picked up aggression once getting chips at this FT from about 6players down, he had jammed a couple spots BvB before, limped once and folded sometimes. I know he was sure jamming lighter than AJ here a lot of the time. The other two players are nitty/weaker players and happily blinding down to see hands and try step up in the money.

Should i call here given the stacks behind?

Crap, wrong thread open . Can mod move to correct thread plz

its close with the stars payouts but i'd call here
pretty sure its a fold if the other stacks are even shorter

Fairly sure this is an ICM fold.
Fairly sure I would never in a million years actually fold in-game.

fairly sure the thread is complete

agree.

Folding. He doesnt have the top of his range but we are gifting equity to the shorties by calling.

What are payouts?
It seems like an easy ICM fold. Just because villain never shoves optimal at that spot. And I`d make it in game.

Though it will be more interesting with AQ-AK.

C`mon Pablo....

Dude I made a superdupersnapcall in a similar spot, with maybe 5bb less, on the exact FT bubble of a pretty big FT.. with Q8s :-$

I talk the talk, but I sure as hell don't walk the walk :-)

What can I say.....everyone has a legit right to spew. ))

vat?

Seems mixed views. Payouts were approx. 8100, 6000, 4300, 3200. Somewhere within a couple hundred of each.
I did fold, but someone called me a nit for it lol so thought ide get some responses

Lacking the exact payouts we can just do a rough calculation. But I think that will do fine and it will show what every decent SnG-player know by a heart (this can of course be viewed as a simple SnG-bubble problem).

If we remove the part of the pricepool everyone left is guaranteed (4th price x 4) the distribution of the remaining pricepool might very well be something like the standard SnG-ish 50-30-20. With those numbers your actual calling range is no more than TT+ even if you believe SB pushes ATC (which he can do if he follows nash ranges in this spot).

To make this a call the price structure will have to be extremely top heavy. If the distribution was 0.8-0.15-0.05 we could call with
13.4%, 66+ A7s+ A8o+ KTs+ KQo
... if SB pushed the optimal range of about 65% of his hands.

I might actually fold it pretty happily here and snap if first was like 2-3k. Maybe my ds is influencing it. I'm pretty sure shorties will keep watching out for each other and keep this situation as long as they can so I'd rather take my 2nd place money and go 3-1 dog to HU than take marginal spot here.

so you dont do math for each spot ingame?
i'm shocked!

Pablo is a guy with glasses in the Cincinatti Kid whos playing strictly 1 table sitting with pen and notebook calculating exact amount he should bet not to give good price for bluffcatching. )))

warrior obv.....

folding too, icm means too much here

or just win the hand and then win the tournament.

Pablito do the math

seems a standard fold.

math doesn't take into consideration future hands and situation that I talked about, so even Pab can't help here.

EZ f old, AQs, too. What about AK?

Also seems like an easy fold to me, AK would be tough one.

Even AK i would fold.

I'm not convinced this is a fold.

Ok if I count correctly and payouts are right, then structure is roughly 0.37, 0.28, 0.2, and 0.15.

If we fold our equity is 0.277
If we call and lose its 0.15
If we call and win its 0.335

We need to win 68.2% to break even.

If he's on ATC, its 88+, AJo has only 63.5%, AKs is 67%. If we take TT+,AK from his range it is slightly better, but even AKs is still an ICM fold.

If we take bottom 15-20% from his range it changes nothing, since Ax is still only ~67.5% vs that whole range.