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09-06-2007 , 12:20 PM

MikeMcQ1

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SB is a 40/14 knucklehead and aggressive post flop.

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SB (t905)
Hero (t2495)
UTG (t1575)
MP (t1480)
Button (t2545)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

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3 folds, SB completes, Hero...

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09-06-2007 , 12:23 PM

Little John

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i push because villian is short. 88 sorta stinks postflop in that it is hard to get a worse hand to pay you. this guy is bad enough to call you with Ax, KXs, or 22.

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09-06-2007 , 12:33 PM

Foldem78

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I don't play this high.

However, the chips you gain from pushing and villain folding don't appear to mean much.

Plus, you have a nice stack compared to the field..

Is playing this for set value wrong? the blinds aren't that high.

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09-06-2007 , 12:57 PM

runhot

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yea i dont look to dance here PF or on the flop unless i end up w/ a set. if it were the next level then eyes iz shuvin.

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09-06-2007 , 01:04 PM

BradleyT

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He's 40/14 - he would have raised anything that beats us and/or many of the hands we're flipping against.

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09-06-2007 , 01:35 PM

Jbrochu

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He's 40/14 - he would have raised anything that beats us and/or many of the hands we're flipping against.

Good point unless Mike has been aggressive enough that villain thinks he can pull off the old trap limp.

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09-06-2007 , 01:36 PM

TruFloridaGator

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Shoving seems best, most of the time we pick up the 100 chips & other times he calls with some dominated hand.

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09-06-2007 , 03:26 PM

darinvg

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I'm raising. Just not sure if it should be 3-4x, bigger or allin.

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09-06-2007 , 03:55 PM

MikeMcQ1

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I'm raising. Just not sure if it should be 3-4x, bigger or allin.

Thanks Darin, I'm glad you've nailed it down for me

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09-06-2007 , 04:23 PM

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Pudge714

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150. Shoving makes us lose tons of values versus lowerpairs and hands which will check fold tons of flops.

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09-06-2007 , 04:46 PM

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darinvg

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I'm raising. Just not sure if it should be 3-4x, bigger or allin.

Thanks Darin, I'm glad you've nailed it down for me

Ha, yeah I guess I was pretty much worthless. I'll try harder next time.

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09-06-2007 , 07:26 PM

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AMT

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150. Shoving makes us lose tons of values versus lowerpairs and hands which will check fold tons of flops.

wouldnt some players be apt to stacking off pf with a lower pair here if we shove but not necessarily post flop with money behind?

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09-06-2007 , 11:30 PM

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MikeMcQ1

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150. Shoving makes us lose tons of values versus lowerpairs and hands which will check fold tons of flops.

His aggressiveness post-flop makes me dislike this option more than any other.

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09-07-2007 , 05:21 AM

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Scotty_12

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I would shove pf

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09-07-2007 , 01:38 PM

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Mench

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i shove pre.

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09-07-2007 , 04:08 PM

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JSH06

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I just make it 150. If he limp-shoves we can call and I think he's calling w/ a lot of hands that we have dominated and he'll miss the flop 2/3 the time w/ 2 unpaired cards & probably fold to a flop bet anyway.

I see the merit in shoving though since he's aggressive post-flop. I think either option is fine really. By shoving I don't think you really force him to make a big mistake that often. With a hand as strong as 88 and 18BBs, I'd probably like to give him the chance to re-shove or make some sort of big mistake.

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09-09-2007 , 12:02 PM

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donkeykong2

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raise to 200

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09-09-2007 , 12:40 PM

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TonyZ

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I think that is probably the best option due to the situation.

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09-09-2007 , 01:43 PM

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rakes

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

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09-09-2007 , 01:45 PM

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JSH06

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

You raise to 200 when SB has 900?

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09-09-2007 , 01:47 PM

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rakes

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

You raise to 200 when SB has 900?

yes.

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09-09-2007 , 01:58 PM

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JSH06

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

You raise to 200 when SB has 900?

yes.

Oh, that's neat.

I think shoving is much better than making it 200. When you make it 200 you just bloat the pot and make it harder to play post-flop. what does 200 accomplis that 150 doesn't?

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09-09-2007 , 02:23 PM

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rakes

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

You raise to 200 when SB has 900?

yes.

Oh, that's neat.

I think shoving is much better than making it 200. When you make it 200 you just bloat the pot and make it harder to play post-flop. what does 200 accomplis that 150 doesn't?

betting 200 gets more value than 150. I don't think it's that difficult to play post flop here.

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09-09-2007 , 02:26 PM

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JSH06

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I'd raise to 200. Shoving is giving up a lot of value. As many have mention, 88 is miles ahead of his range.

I'd say Raise slighty better than shove a lot better than check.

You raise to 200 when SB has 900?

yes.

Oh, that's neat.

I think shoving is much better than making it 200. When you make it 200 you just bloat the pot and make it harder to play post-flop. what does 200 accomplis that 150 doesn't?

betting 200 gets more value than 150. I don't think it's that difficult to play post flop here.

agree to disagree

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09-09-2007 , 02:58 PM

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donkeykong2

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why make it too cheap for them to play? why give them better odds? 50 more makes us 50 more when opponent misses the flop which is probably around 75% of the time. i wouldnt really want him to stay in the pot when i had raised to 150.

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