neither of us has been out of line really, ive been kind of active but have shown down the goods almost every time. we havent played any pots together yet although weve been at same table a while

Full Tilt Poker $25K Super Stack (Early Antes) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t250 - 9 players
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MP2: t51272 M = 9.77
CO: t43996 M = 8.38
BTN: t14003 M = 2.67
SB: t74850 M = 14.26
BB: t119484 M = 22.76
UTG: t29185 M = 5.56
UTG+1: t49779 M = 9.48
UTG+2: t160028 M = 30.48
Hero (MP1): t214939 M = 40.94

Pre Flop: (t5250) Hero is MP1 with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to t4321, 4 folds, BB calls t2321

Flop: (t11892) 9 T 7 (2 players)
BB bets t7275, Hero calls t7275

Turn: (t26442) T (2 players)
BB bets t16750, Hero calls t16750

River: (t59942) 8 (2 players)
BB requests TIME, BB bets t33725 hero folds

interesting hand!

reminds me of one played by one of his students in a goggles video, where he flats J8s from BB and leads 3 streets as a bluff.

it's pretty hard to combat this type of play when you're decently deep as we are here, if you raise he's never stacking off with worse except for maybe a combo draw, and flatting sucks because he can set his own price for a draw/put us in tough spots, all the while gaining information about our hand while we gain relatively none about his.

at first i kinda just wanted to jam turn vs him, though that allows him to play perfectly so is probably not optimal.

as played, meh, it's gotta be a fold. although your hand is kinda face-up and the board ran out perfectly for him to triple barrel, there are so few hands that we beat at this stage.
i considered jamming as a bluff, which would be pretty sick but probably too spewy.

really interested to hear thoughts from some of the top players, someone get TFT in here!

Yep this is gross. I fold river and feel like I got owned. I don't really see how you can do anything differently (folding turn seems too nitty)

Anyone a fan of raising flop here?

anyone fan of folding turn here?

yeah we're ahead of his flop donking range and (i'm guessing) flipping vs his getting it in range OTF so what's wrong with raising?

fold the turn

idk but does he really go for 3 streets of value with something that crushes AA here? his river bet screams value which would make me want to hero call even more.

river is a snapfold turn is the most interesting street here imo really close b/w call and fold i think folding is fine but i also think calling turn and evaluating rivers is good. definately fold river once you get here though..

this hand hurts my brain

I'd raise him on the flop. If he thought you were a complete nit he might just bet out and hope you had an overpair but I think we are quite a bit ahead of his donking range in this situation. I don't even think getting it in on this flop would be terrible against him.

I don't get folding turn. Since he can't have Txhh I really don't see many Tx hands leading flop. Sure leading is a cool thing to do this deep but I can't think of what it really accomplishes in a vacuum here. I think leading any Tx especially ones without any straight draw is pretty unstandard and unlikely, I really doubt he's trying to induce air to do something dumb this deep oop or get value from anything worse (i raised mp1 not button). Or, most absurd, balance vs some guy (me). Ofc I can be beat on the turn, sets/T9 maaaybe T7s and flopped straights are all in his range but a ton of combo draws just essentially bricked. Also I think he's more likely to c/r blades otf but I could be wrong about that (looks like draws etc).

Flop is sort of sigh, pretty sure getting it in is fine 60x isnt super deep but in position I thought I'd rather re-eval what he does on the turn. for example he might slow down some weaker draws on a brick, however the T is a decent bluff card for him. How likely is he to have a lead/fold range here? Stuff like KQ/AJ would make sense for that but it's not a ton of combos and again I think lead/fold with those is kind of unstandard and should be slightly discounted sin history.

River I think I was going to put my big boy pants on and call river on a 2c but when such a dumb card hits folding seems pretty standard. Some specific draws missed but most didn't. I think his river sizing is kinda indicative I think boats would either bet way bigger or c/r to max value off a straight. Bluffs probably bet a little bigger too but I'm less sure about that.

Re: raising river as a bluff, seems pretty bad I look for spots to do that a lot (especially otr vs thinking players when I'm a clueless random) but the bottom of my value range is probably boats and flop flat doesn't fit that at all. Maybe QJ but it's still repping really thin. Like I said I don't think he has Tx almost ever so I'd have to be getting him off a straight. Which is hard.

he doesn't have to be inducing from air or getting value from worse (obviously very rarely accomplishing that) to lead 1 pair or pair + gutter OTF. Tx is definitely his most likely holding OTF, imo, and once you call the turn he probably assumes you have Tx very often.

i think it's an easy fold on the river given that 6x and Jx got there, which are definitely large parts of his range. and it looks like you have at least an overpair, but more likely (since he has to expect you to raise an overpair OTF) trips or a straight.

wtf are blades?

in order for this to be a call on the river he has to take this line with pure air too often... everything else got there except a bare flushdraw.

I almost disagree with all of this post
Ok for starters I don't agree that Tx is 'definitely' his most likely holding on the flop. I don't think GOGGLES' is going to come in and give a definitive answer on his donk leading range on this flop :P but I'd guess it's more likely to be draws or air (maybe sets/top two that lead out because hero will be checking flop so often?). Secondly, I don't see just because we call the turn he has to assume we have Tx very often. I can't speak for OP but I'd imagine there's not a ton of Tx in his preflop range compared to other hands that would peel flop and turn like this, and even then KT and AT would probably just raise and get it in on that turn card because almost half the deck kills your action or gives you a hard decision on the river.
I find it bizarre that you think 6x is a large part of his range, not sure if you were just grouping it with Jx but I think GOGGLES has a 6 here close to never. A jack could certainly be in GOGGLES' range, but I think I would call. The board ran out pretty much perfect for him to continue barreling, it's very unlikely for us to have a boat or strong trips because of our flop and turn play, I think he'd bet bigger with a boat, and he probably thinks the only overpair that can call is JJ.

I like how you played the hand and think the turn card is actually pretty good for you, since I doubt he leads a lot of Tx hands and that reduces the 2pair/set combos. River is a pretty easy fold since most of his draws got there, plus he still has the boat combos.

i think the board pairing hurts your hand, it's a bad card, it fills a lot of his donking range by completing some of his combo draws, JT, T9, and even if ur still ahead straight and flush combo draws are still doin well...on the river you must be putting him on QJ or 88 to fold cause the river did not improve him unless he had those hands, so if you are calling the turn you must call the river imo

i don't mind raising the flop either because the board is so drawy i believe we are at least flipping vs his range -- way ahead of top pairs, flipping vs combos, drawing to decent outs vs two pair, it's a very very good flop to raise imo it's prob better than flat calling imho

side note: i think he has a ten, i fail to see why leading the flop with a ten is bad...it's seems std to me to play a ten this way, any hand containing a ten would be fine to lead with