400/800/800 level
9 handed
7 people limp to me
I check my option in BB with K4ss (had about 35k to start the hand)

Flop (7200): Kd 4d 3s
Check
UTG bets 2k
UTG +1 calls
Folds back to me
I x/r to 7k
They both call

Turn (28200): 2s
UTG has about 16k behind, UTG 1 has about 35k, I have pot behind
Hero??
I'll reply with what I did and the result later

Your flop raise is so small…. Nothings folding.

Imho great spot to c/r overbet, like 15k.

As played, with 8 players to the flop A5 and 56 are definitely a thing, ripping probably isn’t quite punting. Guess being in the BB we can lead like 9 with 20back since I guess it makes most sense for us to be the one with 56 - In theory folding to a jam but honestly half the time I’m probably not folding anyway especially now there’s 2x FD’s and plenty of things picked up extra equity.

Just realised we actually picked up FD on turn which I guess makes ripping more appealing tbh in case we get snapped by nuts.

Feel like bet sizing on flop got us into this position, tricky spot.

Yeah I think you just gotta rip, sucks because 65s makes a lot of sense in this spot but you have 13 outs against that (unless it's spades) and at a table like this I'd think you could still get called by a big Kx.

Agreed flop raise is too small, that's not even 1/2 pot. This is the kind of hand you really want to pile money in with if you're gonna raise the flop because the board is so dynamic.

My typical sizing on the flop c/r would be to 10k which is just under 30% effective stack. It also makes a turn jam much more reasonable from a sizing standpoint.

As it stands we are in a terrible spot because there are a lot of hands that got there (A5 specifically because our c/r was so small). And a lot that didn't (diamond flush draws).

If we jam we will likely get the diamond flush draw to fold but then we might be up against a straight (which matters if the straight is UTG)

I bounce a lot with two pair especially top two.

The one reason I would check the turn is if UTG jams it might get UTG+1 to call with a flush draw and then we can c/r jam again and UTG+1 has to call. The problem with checking is that if we are ahead it can check through (especially because we already c/r'd) and we give a draw or two a free card.

I literally bounced in this spot when I had flopped a small set because the straight called my turn jam.

Though I am torn between checking and jamming I think I would jam because I will always call a jam because of the flush draw and the extra 4 full house draw outs. And I want to get paid by the other flush draw. The last thing that is interesting is that if we jam and there happens to be a better spade flush draw out there we might get them to fold. Or call (which could give us just 4 outs to win...). Maybe the final last reason for jamming is that it is a polarizing bet and could look like we have a flush draw so top pair might decide to call.

I jammed this spot, really wasn’t sure to do with this SPR and this much equity. UTG folded Kx and UTG 1 folded A3dd faceup

Another reason to size up flop, you are definitely getting paid by A3dd in this spot.

I don't think checking or betting small make much sense multiway OOP. We are going to be in no man's land on many rivers. So yeah I jam as well here.

Surprised no one has mentioned leading flop. I don't see why not as in this kind of soft event with 7 limpers these can often get checked through.

In limped pots I lead out largish if I flop something... kind of going for value bet 101 ... psb gii.

pot flop unless you have specific reads

Also, squeeze pre.

No thanks.

jam flop. a lot of villains in that type of field might put us on a flush draw and if we pick up 11,200 (more than 30% of our stack), it is not the end of the world either.

Bet half ur stack or ai

I like as played. Could go somewhat larger with x/r.

I would donk lead the flop - think this gets checked through a lot and you can develop a balanced range that makes you much harder to play against. As played I think your only option is to rip it in - I'm assuming in a live 600 we're going to see some KQ/KJish type hands, flush draws - I don't think UTG or UTG+1 will ever have 56 other than maybe 56dd on a rare occasion.

Probably in theory we shouldn't have a lead or check-raise range here in theory in a seven-way pot OOP.

However, in lower-stakes games where there's a lot of limping, I'm not sure balancing or being close to theory is that important. Off 40BB effective and an SPR of 5, I'm really fine with donk lead intending to get it in on the turn - especially if we think players will check back weak Kx or straight and flush draws a lot on the flop.

Does GTO theory have application to an eight way pot?

Squeeze pre? To what? The only reason we would squeeze this is if we have fold equity. And unless we squeeze huge, someone is bound to call. Then we will be playing a bloated pot OOP with k4s.

*Cigarette dangling from mouth, Marine jacket donned w/ no shirt underneath, Mohawk up like cockatoo crest...Writes in diary "GTO is a relevant as you feel...it is a relevant as you feel" like DeNiro in Taxi Driver*