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04-28-2008 , 08:53 AM
sb is winning nit, other three are unknown:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1610)
MP1 (t1360)
MP2 (t1260)
Hero (t1470)
CO (t1520)
Button (t1880)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1420)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, A.
4 folds, Hero?
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04-28-2008 , 08:56 AM
I 3x raise.
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04-28-2008 , 09:15 AM
limp or raise are both fine...are we back to basic John? :-)
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04-28-2008 , 09:30 AM
John, what option would you consider other than your standard open raise?
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04-28-2008 , 09:34 AM
I know some people like to limp here (e.g., sngicons). I prefer to raise so I can feel much more confident about my hand if I flop something good.
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04-28-2008 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
I know some people like to limp here (e.g., sngicons). I prefer to raise so I can feel much more confident about my hand if I flop something good.
How about UTG or UTG+1?
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04-28-2008 , 09:51 AM
I always raise AQ because I play on low buyins and people are crazy and go broke with A7 lol.
But on a 60$, I would probably limp it UTG and UTG+1 and raise after.
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04-28-2008 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
I know some people like to limp here (e.g., sngicons). I prefer to raise so I can feel much more confident about my hand if I flop something good.
Why would you limp anything from the hijack? I don't get it. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, just that I'd like to hear the theory behind it. Stealing seems standard.
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04-28-2008 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Austiger
Why would you limp anything from the hijack? I don't get it. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, just that I'd like to hear the theory behind it. Stealing seems standard.
same reason some limp AK early, you don't want to build a huge pot when you have only a high at 2/3 of the flops and donks just don't fold.
also you get more dominated hands into the pot.

I don't limp AQ at all because it leads to so many marginal spots, but the reasoning above should be fine.
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04-28-2008 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Austiger
Why would you limp anything from the hijack? I don't get it. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, just that I'd like to hear the theory behind it. Stealing seems standard.
What sence said...plus it balances your range so you'll get more value when set mining against regs...that said, I still only do it in the first couple positions at a full table...and I'm def raising 3x here from the hj
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04-28-2008 , 11:00 AM
AK AQ don't play really well in multiway pots. If you openlimp you always have a multiway pot so i don't like it, i just raise to 90 in that position and fold utg or utg+1.
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04-28-2008 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rebellz
AK AQ don't play really well in multiway pots. If you openlimp you always have a multiway pot so i don't like it, i just raise to 90 in that position and fold utg or utg+1.
I always thought that folding AQ pre is excessively tight and certainly is a waste of money.

I see your reasons to raise and it is sound to do it, especially when you play people who cant get out of their Ax when they hit.

When you play some good regs I prefer to mix my play, you want them to guess if you are set mining or playing AQ/AK vs their TT.
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04-28-2008 , 11:20 AM
So usually you limp utg or utg+1 and call a 4x raise from middle / late position or you fold when raised ?
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04-28-2008 , 11:53 AM
if a 3x raise is anything but standard here, i never want to play another sng and quite frankly i don't see why anyone else would. jesus.
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04-28-2008 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebellz
So usually you limp utg or utg+1 and call a 4x raise from middle / late position or you fold when raised ?
Depends.
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04-28-2008 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luisgallo
limp or raise are both fine...are we back to basic John? :-)
it never really hurts to do some line checks / range questions on ocassion, plus it helps some of the new 2+2'ers.

i remember a sngicon doing it, and there is a real good 114/225 regular that limps a lot of stuff from co, i guess just trying to keep the pot small and keeping hands you dominate from folding. and usually this will just go to the flop 2-3 handed....

but yeah, 3x is my standard here. for some strange reason i just called this time...
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04-28-2008 , 02:27 PM
I think every line has its merits.

Raising 3x gets rid of marginal hands and reduces the number of players that see the flop. Problem: you might still get flatted by AK, you put more chips in the pot (e.g. whiff and cbet).

Limping keeps hands in that you dominate and risks less chips if you whiff. Problem: It might start a limpertrain, so flopping TP gets a wa/wb situation.

Folding is safe. You don't lose chips but you also gain none. If you are comfortable with your postflop play and can get off a hand that is second best, folding isn't the best option.

I limp most of the time but raise in later positions.
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04-28-2008 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jurrasstoil

I limp most of the time but raise in later positions.
FWIW I would rather raise from hijack and limp on the button. Not that I ever do either. It just seems that playing cheap pots with a wide range of hands would be a decent strategy when you're guaranteed position on the button, particularly if you're up against fish in the blinds that will get territorial over the pot if they flop top pair and you hit a monster. Whereas in the hijack, it just seems like you're encouraging CO and BTN to come along with anything decent and have position on you (especially with a reverse implied odds hand like AQ.)
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04-28-2008 , 03:19 PM
fold.
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04-28-2008 , 04:17 PM
3x all day every day.
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04-28-2008 , 04:37 PM
I will limp this in ep and raise it in lp.

Why do I not ever muck pf, and why do i raise in lp? Because when playing AK aggro, it isnt rare at all to get streets of value from weaker aces vs non-regs, and not taking advantage of that is a big leak imo

Re - keeping in hands you dominate - it also allows them a free look to hit 2 pair. And ck/call your flop cbet if htey hit a J high flop with KJ or something and then you shutdown. I think the players we want to play with postflop are the ones bad enough to call wit hhands we dominate preflpo, and its never bad to pick up uncontested pf

Also, think of how our complete range from sb or btn limping range might widen when there is a limper in front of us, I dont think we want a 3/4 way t120 pot as much as a HU t200 pot because we take it down a higher % of the time with cbets or the best hand
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04-28-2008 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
3x all day every day.
Don't really see the need to mix it up here, then again, I don't play $60's :P
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04-28-2008 , 06:16 PM
Because you very likely have the best hand left, and unknowns will call and stack with all kinds of aces. Folding or limping here is pretty bad imo.
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04-28-2008 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Because you very likely have the best hand left, and unknowns will call and stack with all kinds of aces. Folding or limping here is pretty bad imo.

Completely agree with the suzz horseponyboyman.
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04-28-2008 , 07:21 PM
I'm the only one that hears a curtains post in my head on threads like this? "OMG folding is so bad. Limping is so bad. How could you not raise? What the heck, I leave this forum for one year and no one even knows how to play anymore? This shows a complete lack of understanding of SNGs. I need to come back and start playing again... yadda yadda".
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