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04-17-2008 , 09:15 PM
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.60 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 3 players
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BB: t4685
Hero (BTN): t1350
SB: t2965

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q T
Hero raises to t1350 all in





This felt like an insta shove, right?

However, when I play around with ranges it seems pretty close. Borderline is with SB calling ATs+ (6.2%) and BB calling any suited Ace or better (17.2%). This seems a bit tight, given my reads at the time, so I guess I have to muck this? Seems pretty sick.

What is the most significant feature of this hand that causes my shoving range to tighten up so much?
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04-17-2008 , 09:21 PM
no way im folding it
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04-17-2008 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EzplusEV
no way im folding it
Thanks. Great analysis.
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04-17-2008 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jd_poker
What is the most significant feature of this hand that causes my shoving range to tighten up so much?
You still have 9BBs...and both blinds are still left to act. If you think they are calling fairly wide it is a fold.
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04-17-2008 , 09:29 PM
I would shove this any day of the year, and probably in alternative lifes as well.
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04-17-2008 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenkei2007
I would shove this any day of the year, and probably in alternative lifes as well.
You should reconsider your options. ;· of what he said above you
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04-17-2008 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wahoopride
You still have 9BBs...and both blinds are still left to act. If you think they are calling fairly wide it is a fold.
2nd question, should they be calling wide enough for this to be unprofitable for me? (esp the other 10BB guy)
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04-17-2008 , 09:37 PM
i'm shoving, you need to gamble here and try and get some chips. QTs is solid against a good part of their range(any pair), and if they fold you pick up the chips. This is a shove for me. Might run into a lot of 40/60s but i don't think you can afford to fold it here. this seems profitable to me although i havent run pokerstove and everything on it,.
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04-17-2008 , 09:49 PM
i just dont see how this could be -$EV even if they calling loose
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04-17-2008 , 09:55 PM
I ran it and it's pretty close with those ranges... however, I'm shoving this hand because generally at the 6.50s people aren't calling you loose enough. They try and wait for a monster to call your 9bb shoves. You're also already ITM so you can afford to be more aggressive. Also when the blinds go up you're gonna be really short.
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04-18-2008 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple Optics
I ran it and it's pretty close with those ranges... however, I'm shoving this hand because generally at the 6.50s people aren't calling you loose enough. They try and wait for a monster to call your 9bb shoves. You're also already ITM so you can afford to be more aggressive. Also when the blinds go up you're gonna be really short.
Not ITM, this is 6max. And I think they are calling AT A MINIMUM the ranges I put at the top, based on reads through the tourament.

I am now happy to fold this.
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04-18-2008 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
i'm shoving, you need to gamble here and try and get some chips. QTs is solid against a good part of their range(any pair), and if they fold you pick up the chips. This is a shove for me. Might run into a lot of 40/60s but i don't think you can afford to fold it here. this seems profitable to me although i havent run pokerstove and everything on it,.
You should take a look at SnGWiz and try that. Pokerstove simply cannot give you the correct answer here, you have to use ICM to calculate your $EV because cEV is just not that useful here.

I believe this marginal shove is too risky, and 60/40s are exactly what we are trying to avoid at this point. We do not want to "gamble it up", we want to use our non-desperate stack to its greatest effect and this is not a good spot to do it. We either want to shove and see everyone fold or muck, unless we have a monster hand when obv we want calls.

If we were big stack this is obv +$EV because we can tighten their ranges a lot more, but as it stand either can knock me out and I don't want a coinflip for that.
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04-18-2008 , 08:31 AM
This is a snap shove, unless there are some equity quirks in 6max games I don't know about. You have 9 bbs, the other 2 players have above 15, they will be playing soft and non-confrontational against each other because they most likely suck. QTss does well against any reasonable calling range, if you shoved and lost here, just keep shoving little soldier, you'll break down that nasty Berlin Wall eventually
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04-18-2008 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
This is a snap shove, unless there are some equity quirks in 6max games I don't know about. You have 9 bbs, the other 2 players have above 15, they will be playing soft and non-confrontational against each other because they most likely suck. QTss does well against any reasonable calling range, if you shoved and lost here, just keep shoving little soldier, you'll break down that nasty Berlin Wall eventually
I shoved and they folded, but SnGWiz flagged this up as -$EV. Fiddling with the numbers I can't convince myself it IS a shove, even though it feels like one.

6max has equity quirk here because this is the bubble.
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04-18-2008 , 04:15 PM
I guess it is because there are fewer chips in play overall, this is the bubble and I am the small-stack but not desperate. Perhaps closer to 7.5BB is the "shove real wide" spot for this particular game, when the blinds could be loose.

Anyone have a lot of 6max experience?
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