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11-20-2008 , 02:24 PM
Hi All

Recently in two seperate SNG's I had these spots with pocket 8's. Not sure if I played them right so would really apprecaiate peoples thoughts


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t1410
UTG: t2220
UTG+1: t1050
MP1: t1120
MP2: t1800
CO: t1595
BTN: t3170
SB: t1135

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 8 8
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 3 folds, SB raises to t1135 all in, [color=red]Hero ??

as far as reads go the shover had played pretty tight so far, and the limper was your typical 6.50 player limp calls far to much...

second one i found much tougher, only read i had was the villian is a supernova on stars. So I assume if pretty good...

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t1755
UTG: t1190
UTG+1: t1880
MP: t3115
CO: t2200
BTN: t1845
Hero (SB): t1515

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with 8 8
UTG raises to t400, 1 fold, MP calls t400, 2 folds, [color=red]Hero ??
.50 SNG - two spots with 88 that i found tricky Quote
11-20-2008 , 02:33 PM
both look like folds to me
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11-20-2008 , 02:35 PM
Both look like close folds to me.
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11-20-2008 , 02:49 PM
First could be very well a call but given your read dunno, it should be kinda close since his range with a limper is tighter than if it was pure bvb
Second is a flash fold
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11-20-2008 , 02:54 PM
Hand one would be a call imo. Our hand has enough equity to play even against a somewhat tight ish villain as smaller pps and Axish is still going to be in his range.

hand two ez fold
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11-20-2008 , 02:55 PM
I think those are both folds, but the 1st hand I think is a lot closer to a call. A limper is scary there, but if your read is right I doubt he's calling the SB's shove very often.
In the 2nd hand, with a guy flatting a 2.5 BB raise for over 1/3 of his stack...he's not going anywhere, and I don't think you want 88 against 2 opponents.
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11-20-2008 , 02:56 PM
First is pretty close to a call. If it wasn't for your read and he was a pure unknown I'd be very tempted to call here, certainly 10-10 is a snap call, and 9-9 is a fairly healthy call I feel. 8-8 given your read is a fold but only just.

Second one is a fairly easy fold.

IBMTOBHT?

(In before moved to official basic hand thread? - you heard it here first!)
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11-20-2008 , 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Both look like close folds to me.
+1

Sorry but cant see how so many can call any of these two..
First hand is vs a tight player, think his shove range crushes us most of the times...
The second one starts with a UTG raiser, which usually indicates reasonably strong hand plus an overcall with 1/3 of his stack...
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11-20-2008 , 03:53 PM
First one's a call IMO. I am discounting AA/KK a good amount and I think he pushes a healthy number of 70/30 hands as well as the coinflips and the lower pairs.

2nd one is a fold even without the fact that Supernova @ 6.50s = by-the-charts nit grinder. or pro splashing around, i guess, but in that case wouldn't he either have a monster stack or be busto? either way you'd have a hell of a read on him.

Last edited by ilya; 11-20-2008 at 04:01 PM.
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11-20-2008 , 04:27 PM
folding 1st easily..2nd is abit harder- possible call there
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11-20-2008 , 05:20 PM
I would fold both of them pretty easily. You have a limp and a shove on first hand, not a great spot for 88s.

The second hand is worse. You are probably going to be playing your 88s three way because the pot is going to be to big to pass up.
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11-20-2008 , 05:29 PM
Hand 1.
With hero's read I can make an arguement for either folding or calling. I think the key to this hand is that MP1 has been doing a lot of HBL and if Villian has been paying attention it's a descent spot to shove with a descent hand since there is almost 25% of his stack in the pot. I think villian's shoving range should be something like: AT+, KJs+ (at least if called by AQ or AK your not totally dead holding KJ or KQ) as well as 77+ or at least I would be.

I realize KJs maybe a little weak but overall anyone disagree with my range here?

Given that I think it would be a borderline call. However, on the flip side, I generally don't like calling off my stack with 88 with so many opponents remaining in tourney. Seems marginal to me. 99 not much thinking but TT+ is an easy call.

Hand 2. Obv. if the table was a lot deeper think this could be a nice spot to squeeze but as is, I couldn't fold that hand fast enough.
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11-20-2008 , 06:02 PM
shove over a limper is usually a hand that would have us pretty much crushed most of the time....especially if hes actually as tight as u pressume him to be...
second is a fold as well... squezzin with UTG and MP bein so short is kinda meh...theyh will call almost always given the fact that they already invested about 40% of their stack .... once UTG calls ur shove, MP gets pretty good odds on callin as well.
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11-20-2008 , 06:08 PM
Y'all are giving SB in Hand 1 too much credit. It's far from clear whether he tightens or actually opens up his range with weak limper dead money in pot.
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11-20-2008 , 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilya
Y'all are giving SB in Hand 1 too much credit. It's far from clear whether he tightens or actually opens up his range with weak limper dead money in pot.
so what do you do?
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11-20-2008 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by juandadi
so what do you do?
I call!
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11-20-2008 , 07:47 PM
I think I fold both of them but it´s really close, the reason why I´m folding here is mainly that i think I can make much better plays in the future.
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11-20-2008 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilya
I call!
what??? for set value???
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11-21-2008 , 01:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juandadi
what??? for set value???
Lol I don't think we're talking about the same hand
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11-21-2008 , 02:11 PM
Not being results orientated in hand 1 I called...

The orignal limper had QQ!!! and the shover had AA, if I remeber the limper spiked a Q on the turn

Second hand I shoved, the UTG called and MP folded. I was up against AA and sucked out...

I think in hindsight I should be mucking them both, regardless of the outcomes...
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