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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Yea good point. We fold out all the hands we have crushed like JJ and 10-10 when we 4!. I almost wanna say we can fold to a rip. At best we see AK. We see kk and aa often against most population in live mtts.
I find it crazy they find the jam. I don’t think I could jam AA and potentially let a player hero fold KK or QQ (if they can). Even AK will prolly call a smaller raise but might fold to a rip. I’m bad though, I 3bet small with AA or KK when stacks are shallow when folks will call an all in when I’m dominating them (for example at say 20-35 bb stack depth super late in a tourny).
My point was more along the lines of people continuing to the 4-bet. If the player pool is bet-folding their 3-bets with JJ/TT to a 4-bet (which are absolute pure continues in theory) then I am going to be looking to 4-bet them way more often. If they're continuing correctly or even a little too wide, then we win these pots a ton with tiny c-bets on the flop with our entire range.
I do agree that once we get 5-bet in this spot that it kind of sucks and stacking off is at best a 0 EV play against the population, although in theory we're probably supposed to call.
My point about "doing something else" is that if we're so worried about this 3-bet range being super linear and nut-heavy that we wouldn't want to 4-bet, then we have to consider our other options. I guess flat is a thing, but cold flats are usually really easy to play against, invite multi-way pots and gross reverse implied odds situations where we get a ten-high board and have to decide to stack off. I don't know that I'd have any flats here, so I'd probably look at 4-bet folding stuff like JJ/QQ and maybe folding hands as strong as TT.