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50$ Deepstack AK vs nit 50$ Deepstack AK vs nit

03-12-2014 , 06:39 AM
Hi, villain is pretty tighT, fold to 3bet 85% and there is a reshove stack in BB, this why i flat preflop.

partypoker - €50+€0|600/1200 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 117.95 BB (VPIP: 41.56, PFR: 22.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
CO: 57.64 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 30)
Hero (BTN): 52.86 BB
SB: 53.14 BB (VPIP: 19.28, PFR: 11.46, 3Bet Preflop: 8.55, Hands: 391)
BB: 7.46 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 40)
UTG: 1.82 BB (VPIP: 9.21, PFR: 6.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 378)
UTG+1: 53.32 BB (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 29)
MP: 58.44 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 11.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 109)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 5 A 9
MP checks, Hero bets 4.25 BB, MP raises to 13 BB, Hero ?
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03-12-2014 , 07:26 AM
I like 3bet IP, even vs nits, unless x3 for him is standard raise? any reads on that?
OOP it's a nice hand to call this deep vs him, to go into ring/ring/ring banana phone mode on Ahigh.
Need some stats for aggF/agg% at least for flop.
Also need to see c-bet %. usually if c-bet is high and villain checks, it means he hit the flop nice and can't afford to make you fold.
As played MCB flop more 3/4 easy.
Peeling turn and evaluating.
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03-12-2014 , 07:47 AM
MP 18/11/2.7 as CL and 3x open and fold23bet85% looks genuinely horribad.
might be a spot for BB to squeeze, but imho your 3bet% could be higher. just raise him with a wide balanced range. AK is the balanced bit.

yep, that flop action sux. you block spade combos too.

finding it hard to justify a plan that involves peeling one and deciding.
either b/c and call the runout because the guy overvalues post and/or c/r bluffs a bit, or b/f because a 1pr hand is no longer good.
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03-12-2014 , 08:09 AM
we can peel if hero floated a lot IP.
Folding to lots of turn bets tho, so maybe folding OTF can be optimal, but FD is still in V's range.
Forgot to mention that we need PFR from MP, may not be as nitty as it looks.
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03-12-2014 , 05:47 PM
Wait. Why are we folding flop ever? (Unless villain super awful nitty). You under rep your hand, villain check raises alot of hands you beat like FD, Axx, 9x, air when he thinks you are FOS. I am not folding flop. You have backdoor fd to go tptk.
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03-12-2014 , 07:36 PM
Do not see any other option then to call the c/r. Going on the turn on spades or improved, otherwise likely folding to a big bet.
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03-12-2014 , 07:50 PM
Ok with calling flop even if his c/r sucks.

What about the turn then ?


Turn: (34.5 BB, 2 players) 5 A 9 Q
MP bets 42.32 BB and is all-in, Hero ?
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03-13-2014 , 06:05 AM
I think he's repping AA and 5s5x, don't see a nit opening x3 JsTs but we never know what's in people's heads.
If he c/r the flop, it's more closer to 5s5x, because he had a blocker, so he could check the flop to induce safely.
We have the odds to call vs thin range of AA/5s5x/JsTs 53.5% vs his 46.5%.
Clear call now with these pot odds.
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03-13-2014 , 07:18 AM
I would check back the flop. I would usually expect him to cbet this flop.
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03-13-2014 , 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by betgo
I would check back the flop. I would usually expect him to cbet this flop.
suspect this is a little RO and losing value if V is as bad as stats suggest

Last edited by oldsilver; 03-13-2014 at 07:46 AM.
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03-14-2014 , 12:17 PM
And about the turn guys plz ?
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03-14-2014 , 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsilver
suspect this is a little RO and losing value if V is as bad as stats suggest
I think the same, moreover do you think we have 3 streets of value here?

Preflop I don't 3bet all the time vs nit players in spots like this, I hate to fold if they 4bet. If you take a look to his flop cbet and turn cbet stats you will see this lot of times:

Flop cbet: 70-80%.
Turn cbet: 25-30%.

So flatting is not a terrible idea and postflop game is easy vs them.
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03-14-2014 , 01:36 PM
OTT you are just going to win this hand 18% of the time if you call, his line is really strong and I think that if you don't hit a spade you are beaten so I'd fold.
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03-14-2014 , 08:45 PM
I probably b/f the flop too we are guessing games if we call and also (although not much of a sample) his stats to me probably lead me to also think he is a bit more on the passivey side
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03-14-2014 , 09:17 PM
since when 18/11 is a nit? 3b small/ fold pre, calling with AKo sucks almost always simply because we never know where we are
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03-14-2014 , 11:09 PM
I don`t like b/c-ing flop.
As played, fold.
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03-15-2014 , 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JccGrmn
since when 18/11 is a nit?
I agree with this, he's not a nit. I hand't payed attention to his stats, moreover we can't conclude that with only 109 hands.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JccGrmn
calling with AKo sucks almost always simply because we never know where we are
So you always 3bet it vs tight player in a situation like this one?

Are you happy folding vs his 4bet?
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03-15-2014 , 02:40 AM
I'd 3/5bjam pre on the button. As played click it back OTF when you're so underepped.
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03-15-2014 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregz41
I'd 3/5bjam pre on the button. As played click it back OTF when you're so underepped.
you dont worried about his 3x at 6/1200 as played pre?
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03-15-2014 , 12:21 PM
Preflop and in the flop I like how you play the hand.

In turn you have a pot odds of 35,5%.

-Vs AA,99,55,AQs+,A9s,AQo+,A9o your equity is 25,77%

-Vs the same range including AJ your equity increases to 38,05%

I don't think he plays a flush on turn shoving. It's a difficult spot without any reads on the villain, I think the best choice maybe is folding.
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03-15-2014 , 02:10 PM
What was your image ?
3b pre 2.5xish
I'd bet a little bit less otf, call now
Turn I fold
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