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.50: JJ, Facing a big Re-Raise, Fold it? .50: JJ, Facing a big Re-Raise, Fold it?

08-30-2009 , 08:33 PM
Villain has been running 23/10, 107 hands. Not an average $5.50 donk, i have played with him before and a winning player. This is a fold right?

Full Tilt Poker $5 + 0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players

The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1140 M = 15.20
CO: t2105 M = 28.07
BTN: t2390 M = 31.87
SB: t1680 M = 22.40
BB: t1075 M = 14.33
UTG: t1205 M = 16.07
UTG+1: t975 M = 13
UTG+2: t635 M = 8.47
Hero (MP1): t2295 M = 30.60

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP1 with J J
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, MP2 calls t150, 2 folds, SB raises to t650, 1 fold, Hero requests TIME, 2 folds

Last edited by Beerocrat; 08-30-2009 at 10:12 PM. Reason: just one time plz put BI in title
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08-30-2009 , 10:59 PM
These guys show up with crazy stuff too much IMO. I'd still shove and lose to KQs.

I'm def letting go of 99, and prob TT here with that said.

Last edited by CastleBravo79; 08-30-2009 at 11:01 PM. Reason: And make the beeromod happy by putting your BI in the title. :)
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08-30-2009 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CastleBravo79
These guys show up with crazy stuff too much IMO. I'd still shove and lose to KQs.

I'm def letting go of 99, and prob TT here with that said.
I know for sure the Villain doesn't have KQs in this spot. Obviously i played with him before as said, and he is a winning player. So you can eliminate all of that.
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08-30-2009 , 11:48 PM
you can jam it here but the raise size tells me you might be up against queens or kings. AK and Aq ship it here
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08-30-2009 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by trojanmana
you can jam it here but the raise size tells me you might be up against queens or kings. AK and Aq ship it here
Shipping AQ makes no sense to me. Also, if we are folding jacks, why are we shipping AK???
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08-31-2009 , 12:02 AM
Let's suppose for a moment he is 3betting 1/2 his pfr range.. that means he is 3betting between AA-99, AK/AQ... We still have greater than 50% equity against his range, not including the overlay. We aren't any where close to the money, so we can't pass if we are ahead. I seriously doubt he is 3betting you to 650 and folding any of his 3bet range.

If you find over time that he doesn't do this with anything other than AK, QQ+, obviously you can fold here.

Even against AK, TT+, we are 43% so we probably being given close to the right price to shove here with 43.5% (1530/3510), assuming we get called everytime... If he ever folds, it gets better for us. It also discourages him from 3betting you light, so it may lead to a need to adjust later.

Hope this helps and all imo.
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08-31-2009 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CastleBravo79
Let's suppose for a moment he is 3betting 1/2 his pfr range.. that means he is 3betting between AA-99, AK/AQ... We still have greater than 50% equity against his range, not including the overlay. We aren't any where close to the money, so we can't pass if we are ahead. I seriously doubt he is 3betting you to 650 and folding any of his 3bet range.

If you find over time that he doesn't do this with anything other than AK, QQ+, obviously you can fold here.

Even against AK, TT+, we are 43% so we probably being given close to the right price to shove here with 43.5% (1530/3510), assuming we get called everytime... If he ever folds, it gets better for us. It also discourages him from 3betting you light, so it may lead to a need to adjust later.

Hope this helps and all imo.
Seems fair, but a lot of times when they re-raise like this, it would mean QQ+, AK+, since they would flat call with TT. Also, we have like 2295 chips in here, and a decent spot, so why risk it? Anyone else?
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09-01-2009 , 05:09 AM
i fold in this situation, or if im bold enough i just call and c the flop for setvalue.
When i notice a guy on the table with which i have 100 hand in my DB, i assume he is a regular, and regulars dont play to pester other people, they play to get ITM, and thus i put him on AA,KK,QQ here.

If it would have been lvl 5 it would have been a preflop shove anyway for you, but now with a healthy stack, it would be -EV imho.

Some1 sayd we still got 40% to win this hand, but 40% is not enough with this blind level to ship it.
(if the guy was a tourist you could be pretty sure he has 44+ Axs+ and then just shove it )

Well anyways thats what i would do
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09-01-2009 , 05:35 AM
thats why its so important to observe our opponents,.. do we expect him 3betting here with TT+ AK than whats the probability that hes folding some hands of his 3betting range? I dont think to high,..

he has commited about 40% of his stack so do you think hes folding here? I cant imagine that honestly... Now theres no fold equity left so im estimating him 3betting here with QQ+ AK... Thats just an assumption which mustnt fit to this player,..

What about your image on the table so far?

If hes a winner the fold gets more easy,...
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09-01-2009 , 04:25 PM
Its a fold against a good reg...
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09-01-2009 , 04:47 PM
I think this is a fold. A winning player making a big reraise from OOP is bad news. Ship it with QQ+
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