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03-19-2008 , 12:17 AM

mav0031

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Full Tilt Poker $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BTN: t1290
SB: t5243
BB: t1834
Hero (CO): t5133

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T

Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, SB calls t500, 1 fold

Flop: (t1400) T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t800, SB raises to t4643 all in

SB is 23.1/42.9/5.5 over 91 hands. Do you fold this or would that be playing too tight? Do I have +EV if I make the call? Figure SB could be on AK and protecting against an inside straight draw. Or he already has it. Don't see him bluffing being on the bubble and being big stack.

I'm probably viewed as being tight/agressive.

Last edited by mav0031; 03-19-2008 at 12:29 AM.

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03-19-2008 , 12:40 AM

CheeseMoney

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I think you have to call this. He could have weaker 2 pairs, AT, A9, K9, AJ, KQ, KJ, a QT, Q9, whatever gutshot draw, and also likely 99, TT, AK, or KK reraise preflop. Its real hard to know what to do in a vacuum, but when you raise with KT and hit top 2, you get it in. I think a flopped straight probably just flats your continuation bet, or does something goofy like check/minraise.

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03-19-2008 , 12:41 AM

drzen

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I call this ultrafast.

Yes, he can have QJ. He could have TT/99. KK probably not. Those are the hands that beat you. He probably reraises the pairs though, given his stats (I'm guessing his stats are 43/23/5.5 -- is that what you mean: 43 VPIP, raises 23%?). He'd probably reraise AK too.

But he can have KQ/KJ/K9/T9 that are at least close to sane, any Kx, QT/Q9, J9, sometimes even AQ/87.

With an AF of 5.5 and his other stats, he's not even close to sane postflop. So I call without hesitation.

Last edited by drzen; 03-19-2008 at 12:42 AM. Reason: snap with the Cheese man

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03-19-2008 , 12:49 AM

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Wow u have top two pair in raised pot, if your ever considering to fold this don't raise pf, and that last advice can be continued to some point i guess..

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03-19-2008 , 01:15 AM

wahoopride

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snapcall K9+, T9 are well within his range and was that a 5.5 AF...not close

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03-19-2008 , 10:11 AM

mav0031

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Thanks everyone for your comments.

Yes, stats should have been listed as 43/23/5.5

So the fact that SB is not desperate and putting himself at risk by going all in doesn't lead us to think he at least made trips?

I guess another question would be was my PF raise overly aggressive even though we are down to 4 players?

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03-19-2008 , 10:45 AM

unrealzeal

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Wow. Top two check-raised all in by the other big stack on the bubble! Tough hand. I like him for KQ or AK and protecting against a draw, but I might make the same play with the nuts here b/c I don't want to be drawn out. I'd want to minimze my risk with my chip position.

Raise is fine imo here b/c you have a good hand against a short-stacked BB. I'd play this hand exactly as you did, and I would have to call too. It's the best hand you could expect from your raise, so I'm fine with a cooler here.

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03-19-2008 , 10:46 AM

Shortcorner

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Originally Posted by mav0031

I guess another question would be was my PF raise overly aggressive even though we are down to 4 players?

Raising to 2.5 BB to 500t is plenty here to get the job done and also conserves chips should the sb come over the top.

With the stack sizes as they are I'm not crazy about the initial raise, I'd like it alot more if shorties had 5ish BB rather than 9 and 6.5. KT is often badly dominated.

I fold here with out much thought but that could be a leak of mine.

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03-19-2008 , 01:12 PM

Rizzeedizzee

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I see little to no chance you're beat as the cards lay post-flop. Put two of the same suit on the board instead and I'd worry more about him being on a set. As for what he actually had, besides the possibilities already mentioned (of those I put most stock in AK), don't rule out J-J (would justify the preflop call) or even J-7 suited in one of the flopped suits (giving SB a double gutshot plus runner runner to a flush) although that would be a ridonkulous preflop call.

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03-19-2008 , 01:14 PM

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NJkid

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insta call

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03-19-2008 , 02:04 PM

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Shortcorner

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Originally Posted by Shortcorner

I'm talking pre-flop btw

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03-19-2008 , 02:29 PM

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unrealzeal

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500 is better than 600 imo for the simple fact that it is more reflective of your hand value, but this raise gives that BB less fold equity if he defends, so I would go 600 also

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