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04-22-2008 , 10:50 PM
Build the pot on the turn with a 250ish bet? I considered this; was sort of hoping the 4th heart hit or someone behind me, whats your play here? I frequently set mine in these as raising a small pp -ev obv. If I raise flop I'm possibly beat, so thought calling behind to house was best option. Obv I get there and there is ZERO action... how to extract $z.
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04-22-2008 , 10:50 PM
Full Tilt Poker $10 + $1 Sit & Go No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: t1410
BB: t1395
UTG: t1255
UTG+1: t5035
MP1: t910
Hero (MP2): t1995
CO: t1500
BTN: t1500

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with 6 6
UTG calls t40, 1 fold, MP1 calls t40, Hero calls t40, CO calls t40, BTN calls t40, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t260) 6 Q T (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets t40, Hero calls t40, CO calls t40, BTN calls t40, BB calls t40, UTG calls t40

Turn: (t500) T (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: (t500) A (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t400, CO folds, BTN folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds
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04-22-2008 , 10:54 PM
raise flop, bet turn. not really close.
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04-22-2008 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jchauvin
raise flop, bet turn. not really close.
you really raise on this flop? I think thats a horrid play; the shove propensity in these with AhX or even KhX is amazing. Not to mention this many ppl in its far from extraordinary to run into the made flush. As such, you are at best running against a 30%ish draw, when you aren't hoping for the board to pair, which means you are willing to commit your stack all the time on Bottom set with a 3 to suit straitening board. I just don't think thats the best play here; you've pretty much nothing invested and this isn't the potential edge you are looking for in these, they are too soft for that.
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04-22-2008 , 11:19 PM
raising the flop isn't even debatable. there are so many hands you get value from that you are ahead of. getting all-in against the Ah or Kh is a fantastic result you have a huge edge and aren't getting more money out of them unless a heart hits.

and checking the turn may be worse. you have to get $ in against a Q or a T before a heart hits and they decide to fold, also hearts will call you.

there is so much fundamentally wrong with this hand
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04-22-2008 , 11:26 PM
wow, interesting
well I approach it like this
I'm folding if conditions arent 100% right, b/c I know that I can takes these players chips without gambling and consider this hand a point of gamble and a marginal situation as its multi handed
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04-22-2008 , 11:50 PM
when are you going to take their chips? If not when you flop a set then I dont know what situation you are waiting for

If someone flopped a flush good for them, you have to get allin here especially in the lower buyin tournies where someone might even stack off with top pair no heart.

To put it in perspective, you would never fold kings PF because someone might have aces, this is the same with a set on a monotone flop in a fast blind structured tourney
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04-23-2008 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan87
when are you going to take their chips? If not when you flop a set then I dont know what situation you are waiting for

If someone flopped a flush good for them, you have to get allin here especially in the lower buyin tournies where someone might even stack off with top pair no heart.

To put it in perspective, you would never fold kings PF because someone might have aces, this is the same with a set on a monotone flop in a fast blind structured tourney

I merely limped pre with the intentions of hitting hard or getting off (as bad as that sounds haha). I am willing to set mine early in these b.c of player weakness, for that same reason I even like to avoid 60/40s early.
Also, I dont find the structures terribly fast; it's not uncommon for me to under 2x starting stack in the final 13-18 without concern. By that same token is the mentality that I'm lightly invested here and my edge is not that large, why decide to gamble here? Better poker is lower variance poker I Feel that this is a solid approach on the flop. As for my line, if those who've already posted could follow it in their minds eye and play it out that would be much appreciated; thanks for all the input thus far.

*I'm ripped so coherency is not guar. on last post.
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04-23-2008 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jchauvin
raise flop, bet turn. not really close.
You can't give these bunch of people a free card on the flop so they hit a flush, and you're almost certainly ahead. Go ahead, deny pot odds to whoever's got the ace of hearts.
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04-23-2008 , 09:09 AM
raise flop to start building the pot...if they shove flop call...

bet turn...build a pot call if they shove...

last bit...play underfulls fast...
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04-23-2008 , 10:31 AM
ok ok
you all win
after stoving it out with est ranges its def a build and commit if you can get it in on the flop its clearly +EV

-thanks
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04-23-2008 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by idiotp0ker
ok ok
you all win
after stoving it out with est ranges its def a build and commit if you can get it in on the flop its clearly +EV

-thanks
wooooohooo...as few as we win we gotta celebrate the ones we do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
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04-23-2008 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
wooooohooo...as few as we win we gotta celebrate the ones we do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
OF THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

roflmao
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04-23-2008 , 11:18 AM
I like building the pot on the flop, raise it to ~200, let them draw if they want to... I'm happy to get it in here as people will be happy to get it in with K(not even necessarily )Q or even Q10 against which we're massive favourite, and we'll miss action of those if a fourth hearts turns... Of course they flop a flush from time to time, but I think it's pretty bad -EV if we miss out value from these spots
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04-23-2008 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lemming
I like building the pot on the flop, raise it to ~200, let them draw if they want to... I'm happy to get it in here as people will be happy to get it in with K(not even necessarily )Q or even Q10 against which we're massive favourite, and we'll miss action of those if a fourth hearts turns... Of course they flop a flush from time to time, but I think it's pretty bad -EV if we miss out value from these spots
Ya I def agree in retrospect, my initial instincts were to just play it gently and get away from it with minimal investment, after stoving realizing its pretty much worst possible case im 34% to redraw to FH vs made flush so aint that bad.
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