Hey guys,

Quick background. My game is HUSNG but i try and dabble in all sorts of various SNGs and trying to improve. In MTTS and these 45 man games I think I play fairly decent then there comes a time quite often mid stages or late stages and I just monkey spew or not? Here's an example. What would be your play here? Too loose pre? My plan was to raise fold. The guy on the button is a loose fish with a vpip of 46% and a high fold to cbet frequency, so even if he does call I think there is a lot of value to just cbetting the flop. Both the SB and BB seem fairly tight. Anyway I just monkey spew really post and for some reason do not cbet the flop. I loose concentration/patience in these long games. Anyway my main Q is, is this a reasonable open preflop in this position given the dyamics I describe? Also my image was reasonably tight I think...

Poker Stars $27.65+$2.35 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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BTN: t4494 M = 7.19
SB: t3740 M = 5.98
BB: t2494 M = 3.99
UTG: t10125 M = 16.20
UTG+1: t7710 M = 12.34
MP: t1200 M = 1.92
Hero (CO): t3874 M = 6.20

Pre Flop: (t625) Hero is CO with 6 9
3 folds, Hero raises to t675, BTN calls t675, 1 fold, BB calls t375

Flop: (t2350) 3 7 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (t2350) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1200, BTN calls t1200, BB folds

River: (t4750) K (2 players)
Hero bets t1974 all in, BTN calls t1974

Bet the flop or don't bet at all. Terrible turn and river to continue to bet.

The pre open is weird considering you have 13 big blinds. Nothing in this hand makes much sense to me.

yes i know. I ballsed this hand up big time - no real reason why i barreled turn and river. I was off in the clouds somewhere for a few seconds. Some autopilot part of my brain just though ah bet turn, ah overcard - shove river! I decided to post anyway as i'm sure most of us have made inexplicable plays at points?

But at 13bbs we should still have a raise/fold range right in the CO? I thought seeing as I can't openshove this hand profitably and it's not a premium i want to raise call - not and awful hand to have in our raise fold range? Or not that bad anyway given dynamics i mention? I'm just working on this stuff at the moment and what better place to start then at the 30s

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But at 13bbs we should still have a raise/fold range right in the CO?[QUOTE]

I'm not convinced we do and it certainly wouldn't be with 96o; we would want a hand with more post-flop playability if one of them manages to flat.

I'm shoving most hands here with antes although the antes are on the smaller side, so your shoving range should be slightly narrower as a result, because the value of stealing is less than it normally would be with antes that are larger.

The only reason really to have a r/f range would be to extract more value from your monsters that you don't necessarily want to shove with. I think raise/folding 96o for that purpose though is a kind of a waste here. You're essentially dumping into the pot 20% of your stack with crap all for the sake of balance. Seems like the cart driving the horse. I would probably min-raise call with JJ+ against villains who have no clue what you're doing (which is probably the case here) and shove everything else against them, and shove your entire range against everyone else.

Don't see merits in raising pre with such a marginal hand and not cbetting dry flop... When it's clear turn and river are only hitting callers ranges even more, you decide to bluff at, don't like...

Yeah fold pre, particularly as the fish has position on you (folding anyway nearly always)

thanks a lot for the info guys - 96 not good pre. Coming from HUSNGs I have a bad habit of simply playing too many hands. Yeah as said plan was to bet most flops if flatted by fish. Can't explain why i didn't - as i said a balls up. I'm looking/researching into the maths regarding shoving ranges, raise folding ranges when shallow and different stacks depths...have a programme called ICIMIZER which I use for HUSNG but seems really helpful for this too. cheers

Yeah, 96o would be a fold here. Definitely look into shoving ranges. I would either shove here with 13BBs or fold (except for a few premium hands which I would raise/call with).

Its table dependent but most often not.

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But at 13bbs we should still have a raise/fold range right in the CO? +1

Given ChipeV = 1, min raise fold at any stack depth has a slight edge over open shoving.
There was a study from CMU that has their calculation but I'm pretty sure they botched it ill try find it when im not at work
The more branches of complication give us more opportunity to exploit ourselves (**** up), given the more and varied game tree branches from this line selection.
i think there are some ICM spots where open shoving has an edge over mr/folding given how wide villain can reshove testing the bottom of your calling range.

Bla bla bla.

If you are playing unexploitable nash push/fold then you arent capitalizing on mistakes other players are making.

Open raising 69o CO is way outside a nash opening range
Why you feel you are spewing is because you're r1i range is so wide and your post flop lines are full of errors like checking these boards.
Your villain need to be folding too frequently or making very exploitable errors postflop for this to profit.
You need solid reasons to go exploiting or get with the GTOgram

Deffinatelly folding Pre here, 7 handed and not even button with 6, 9? You should even make a small C bet of arround 600-700 here if his fold to cbet percentage is high. Your bet on the turn is deffinatelly to big if all your trying to do is induce a fold here. Him calling here means he probably has a hand would be nice to see some more stats though. The shove at then end should work allot here though

horrific open just about always. I would also definitely c-bet.

stabbing the turn leaves for a really awkward river spot because of the PSR. And once you get to the river you don't even have a half pot bet. I'd honestly rather shove flop than delay c-bet turn and shove less than half pot on river.

if you get bored easily I would not play tournaments/SNGs, that is of course unless you enjoy lighting money on fire.