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03-20-2010 , 09:11 AM

blind squirrel

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My first hand versus both these players...What we do?

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t70 - 9 players
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MP2: t13060 M = 8.54
CO: t14070 M = 9.20
BTN: t16815 M = 10.99
SB: t5115 M = 3.34
BB: t17830 M = 11.65
Hero (UTG): t22296 M = 14.57
UTG+1: t4225 M = 2.76
UTG+2: t19890 M = 13
MP1: t980 M = 0.64

Pre Flop: (t1530) Hero is UTG with J

Hero raises to t1500, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to t2400, 4 folds, SB raises to t5045 all in, 1 fold, Hero?

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03-20-2010 , 09:15 AM

sunnydunerz

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fold ainec?

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03-20-2010 , 09:23 AM

billrake

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Yeah, tough spot. Based on stack size, you're in the money now? Where at in prize structure? I don't post much on strategy but my game has fallen off and I've been losing, so I'd be curious if others think these should not factor much in how to play this hand.

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03-20-2010 , 09:26 AM

blind squirrel

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Not in the money or particularly close yet.

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03-20-2010 , 09:29 AM

Foks

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Why is this not an easy fold? Unless you have some reason to think UTG+2 is misclicking, you must fold because anyone that min raises you w/ a 30BB stack OOP PF is going to have AJs over a barrel.

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03-20-2010 , 11:33 AM

jon89

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I may be giving UTG+2 too much credit for a hand, but normally when I see a min re-raise from early position it is normally a strong hand, definately strong enough to have AJs in bad shape. I fold here. SB's range is probably quite tight as well (if he has just seen all this action from early position and is a thinking player).

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03-20-2010 , 11:54 AM

furo

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snap fold

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03-20-2010 , 11:59 AM

SlevinUp

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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz

fold ainec?

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03-20-2010 , 12:21 PM

PwningNubs

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yeah deff and easy fold i think, unless you have some reads on utg+2 that hes a spewtard and is doing this alot

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03-20-2010 , 12:23 PM

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billrake

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If the SB's M is 3, I think I could easily have him dominated.I would not be surprised to see QTo in his range. I'm calling.

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03-20-2010 , 01:16 PM

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MountainBum

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pretty standard fold imo.

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03-20-2010 , 01:17 PM

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MountainBum

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if utg+2 was short <12bbs i get it in here but im folding with his stack.

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03-20-2010 , 01:19 PM

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MountainBum

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Originally Posted by billrake

If the SB's M is 3, I think I could easily have him dominated.I would not be surprised to see QTo in his range. I'm calling.

so your flatting sb's shove huh? what do you do when utg reshoves for 17k?? or when utg flats also and your playing a pot oop when you missed the flop and only have 1 psb left.....

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03-20-2010 , 01:32 PM

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billrake

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Originally Posted by MountainBum

so your flatting sb's shove huh? what do you do when utg reshoves for 17k?? or when utg flats also and your playing a pot oop when you missed the flop and only have 1 psb left.....

You're right, my line sucks

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03-20-2010 , 02:14 PM

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Trex8063

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Originally Posted by Foks

Why is this not an easy fold? Unless you have some reason to think UTG+2 is misclicking, you must fold because anyone that min raises you w/ a 30BB stack OOP PF is going to have AJs over a barrel.

Agreed. This one is an easy fold. I can't think of a circumstance where I'd seriously consider calling or 5betting here. Even if you perceived these two players as complete livewire spazzes, I'd still be reluctant to call.

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03-20-2010 , 02:17 PM

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Texas Chuck

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Didnt everyone just read the title and wonder why there was even a question?

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03-20-2010 , 03:16 PM

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Mr.Vertigo

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

Didnt everyone just read the title and wonder why there was even a question?

Yeah, but UTG+2s 3-bet size and the 4-bet being shove with >9BBs makes this a bit more interesting.

Having said that I'd still fold.

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03-20-2010 , 04:25 PM

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blind squirrel

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Thx for all the replies...I obviously folded, just wondered what you guys think about a rando's min-3bet range and another rando's range for getting it in <10BB. Imo a 4bet by a shortie is something completely different to a 4bet from a villain running 12/7 for example.

Also recently found minreraises aren't that tight to be read readless.

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