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11-20-2008 , 08:33 PM

blind squirrel

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I was pretty new to the table, so no reads. What do ya think of this line?

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
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BTN: t14125
SB: t7825
BB: t6693
UTG: t1585
Hero (UTG+1): t10533
MP1: t2535
MP2: t11905
CO: t6695

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with K

1 fold, Hero raises to t805, 2 folds, CO calls t805, 3 folds

Flop: (t2260) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets t1500, CO calls t1500

Turn: (t5260) J

(2 players)
Hero bets t8203 all in

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11-20-2008 , 08:48 PM

SurferEd

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 373

pf: Why 805? Why not 800 ? Are you trying to extract t5 more value or are you trying to make your hand look weaker than it is and hope for a rr?

Flop is fine.

When the jack hits on the turn, I think it may have hit opponent's range. I personally would not shove on a turn like this at this level, but I may be nitty.

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11-20-2008 , 08:49 PM

Protential

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lol? He calls here with any 8/j/pp. i do at least. against most randoms, if they got a 8 they fold, a J they never fold. terribad bluff line, works vs donks 1/2 the time, never vs a reg imo.

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11-20-2008 , 09:24 PM

natchobvious

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i think that one adjustment you can make is a smaller c-bet on the flop. villain's probably gonna play the same against 1100 and 1500, so save yourself the 400 chips.

as for the double barrel, i find that villains rarely float a bet this size, so you're just gonna end up taking yourself to value town since 22 probably snaps off your turn shove. i tend to just c/f turn.

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11-20-2008 , 09:34 PM

APipeDream

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You have to assume he called your flop bet on such a junk board for a reason...and that turn didn't help. You are getting called with any 8, 5, pp, or J here. Bad move IMO

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11-20-2008 , 11:58 PM

aces_full1963

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I'm checking that turn card. I see this alot with AK where people will just keep firing . There is absolutely nothing wrong with checking the turn. He may check behind and you can get a free look at the river. If he bets turn, I'm folding.

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11-21-2008 , 12:20 AM

RandomGuy2

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Originally Posted by Protential

lol? He calls here with any 8/j/pp. i do at least. against most randoms, if they got a 8 they fold, a J they never fold. terribad bluff line, works vs donks 1/2 the time, never vs a reg imo.

How does this make any sense? We raised from EP so we have lots of big pairs in our range (JJ+, 88). We are short enough that I would play all these big pairs the same way, so if you think this looks like an "obvious bluff line", I think you are on crack.

As for the DB, I think they are always read dependent (but in my case, often tilt dependent). I would generally advise against them in $4/180s, but occasionally you have to do it. I think lots of villains do float that flop, so as long as he didn't spike a J or have a monster I think it works here.

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11-21-2008 , 07:42 AM

blind squirrel

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Thx for the input guys. Fwiw, if I was gonna comment on this hand it wouldn´t be positively either.

And RandomGuy is right - I´ll show you the nizzles here with this line too. If anyone cares

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11-21-2008 , 09:03 AM

Rokke

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A random 4/180 donk will have a pp or Ax a lot of the time here. I don't see him calling the flop bet with a J unless he has two of them, and JJ wold propably raise the flop.

Without reads the flop shove is too spewy. This board was perfect to cbet on, but you have no idea if he realises this, if he's a station or if he flopped a monster.

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11-21-2008 , 09:18 AM

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ssnyc

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double barrel is fine but the push looks weak and will get snapped off lighter by a thinking player (I know it's a 4 180 and we may be able to discount this)...

I think that is looks more powerful if you bet 3K on turn...he will have to assume you are putting him in on the river and makes it a harder decision...

FWIW if we bet 3K on turn we call a shove unhappily and spike our A or K

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11-21-2008 , 11:15 AM

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RandomGuy2

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

I have wondered about this. While villain has less than the pot left in his stack on the turn, does the optics of us overshoving instead of merely betting say the pot, make our hand look weaker or stronger? I, as a non drooler, don't care, but I suspect some villains do.

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