I think you always have good post and you seem like a really good player, but can't agree with the last part of your post here.

First part is totally true, raise more for value, not to fold them out, but shoving it in mindlessly here just doesn't seem that good to me. Don't see anything wrong with checking back the turn. J and flush is definitively in his range here, and although it only is a 4.40, I don't see why we should go crazy.

I doubt I'm folding if he bets river, and tbh, I'm probably not folding in this situation either, but I just think checking back turn is a much better play than shoving this.

I get your point I do, I haven't played these for a long time but I do remember a post I made when I backraised AQo in a multiway pot and managed to get 75bb's in against QJo and 54s and it's quite likely my post is formed by my experience of playing these which isn't current.

However my post is also formed by a guesstimation of the ranges we are playing against which do include Jx but also include a lot of mid pairs that are going to put us on Ax and will be happy getting it in. My own belief is that with AA and 75bb's in a 4.40 we should be looking to get it in rather than playing for pot control because we will get paid so lightly. Players that limp call Jx from the cut off are calling a ton of stuff that isn't full or trips and if we aren't folding to a bet on the river when any reasonable bet cripples us we should be betting the turn.

BTW the turn puts a FD out there it doesn't complete one

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With 2 limps I don't understand the bet preflop. I am betting at least 100. I think J-x is definitely in the limpers range. J-10off, J-Q, etc. You also have to remember that you are playing 4/180. The ranges are a little different.

of course jx is in the limpers range as is a ton of stuff they call bets with. if you are going to check any street here the flop is not the street to do it

I see... pesky red colors. I really did think it completed the flush obv.

I still think checking the turn is fine though.

lol yeah I had to check

and yeah I guess that checking the turn is ok I just think that a lot of their range that we beat calls flop and turn.

One possibility I think has been ignored is 44 or 66. These are the hands I see in the 4/180s that most commonly limp and then call a raise behind. Another strong possibility is A4 or A6, especially suited--these can follow the same pattern (villain thinks: not good enough to raise, too good to fold to a raise). Particularly the draw appearing on the turn makes something like Ad4d very possible, and I see people do the min-raise semi-bluff a lot. In fact, it could be ANY two diamonds--maybe something like QdTd.

Part of it depends on your read of the player, and as you said it's early, so we can't know. Given that the vast majority of players are not very good, I find it hard to give the villain enough credit to raise just enough to keep us in on the turn with a set of 4s, Js, or 6s--most will have already spazzed or are waiting for the river to do so.

Here's a place where I think timing can be really important. How quick was his flop check? A big pause is more likely to be jacks or a set of 4s--maybe a paired 4. A pause on the turn might be more like a FD thinking about his semi-bluff.

This is long. In short, I can't imagine not shoving when he raises the turn, unless you've seen him play a couple of hands competently. In the 4/180s the average player is a donk, until proven competent, and it pays to play those odds.