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06-05-2014 , 10:14 AM
Villain is 30/23/10 over 79 hands. Will you go for a thin value river or showdown ?

PokerStars - €2.70+€0.30|750/1500 Ante 150 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 112,043
Hero (MP): 73,675
MP+1: 112,366
MP+2: 47,825
CO: 32,520
BTN: 63,779
SB: 24,905
BB: 74,803
UTG: 20,825

9 players post ante of 150, SB posts SB 750, BB posts BB 1,500

Pre Flop: (pot: 3,600) Hero has 9 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3,000, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1,500

Flop: (8,100, 2 players) T 7 8
BB checks, Hero bets 4,000, BB calls 4,000

Turn: (16,100, 2 players) A
BB checks, Hero bets 8,000, BB calls 8,000

River: (32,100, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero ?
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06-05-2014 , 11:59 AM
check behind, do you think worse hands pay? I think no.
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06-05-2014 , 12:36 PM
If we are good on the turn, we still are on this brick river, we have showdown value but we can't stand a raise otr. betting here will be very thin. Villain seems loose and aggro and this board is all over his defending range.

I check behind, we are not getting 3 streets unless we are beat.
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06-05-2014 , 03:57 PM
Villain is 30/23/10 over 79 hands < I've got no idea what those stats mean.

Okay , this is very dependent on your opponent. Sometimes i'll bet otf and sometimes i'll check back and take a stab OTT. It really depends, if villian is weak i'd take a stab right there otf because he'll fold most of his range unless he's got top pair or a draw maybe.

as played , I'd check back otr , i dont think there's much hands we can get any thin value from.

If you know V is capable of calling of with far worse like 2ed pair or 3rd pair then yes you can bet OTR, but without those reads it's difficult.
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06-05-2014 , 07:04 PM
Looks as if villain has some sort of showdown value and just wants to get there as cheaply as possible as he hasn't shown any real strength. Maybe like a J10/K10/9 10 type hand that could pay off a small riverbet. Could have a hand like 99 that had showdown value on the flop and a draw that villain chased and missed.

Guess he can also have hands like A10 and other aces or 2 pair aces that we also lose to. In game I'd probably just check behind cuz we did get 2 streets of value.
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06-05-2014 , 08:28 PM
I would just check behind
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06-05-2014 , 11:23 PM
Check the flop. As played pot control the turn. Now I would check back. The idea is I want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and I don't want to fold to a raise anywhere in the hand except maybe the river. If I had checked the first two streets I would probably go for thin value otr vs a T or middle pair. I don't see any worse aces in his range that didn't hit 2p.
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06-06-2014 , 07:51 AM
Is the pf raise standard here,with 6 players after you and just a min raise? Isnt there a danger of being reraised? I thought this woulda been a fold in this position,no?
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06-06-2014 , 10:47 PM
Preflop i guess it depends of the table. There are antes in play and we have a big stack so it might be ok to take a stab if players don't 3 bet much.

On the river i would only bet if villain calls with less then top pair and won't reraise me if i bet small because we now have to fold. If villain likes to check raise bluff if i bet lets say 1\3 of the pot or 1\4, then i check the river.

Against a Tight-passive player i'd check the river but against a loose\passive id definitely go for a very tiny bet and fold to a reraise. But against an aggressive player, you might also be getting a very small value bet in because usually they will reraise if they have you beat somewhere along the hand. The tighter the player the less i bet this.

Last edited by Gladiatoranc; 06-06-2014 at 10:54 PM.
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