10$ Full Tilt Poker FTIPS III - No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t6560
CO: t1100
BTN: t3340
SB: t3143
BB: t1920
UTG: t6945
UTG+1: t2740
UTG+2: t2470
Hero (MP1): t2292

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is MP1 with 9 9
UTG raises to t160, 2 folds, Hero raises to t560, 5 folds, UTG calls t400

Flop: (t1240) A 3 A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero?


villain is very active donk opening often, what do you think of my 3bet with my stack? a shove is better? and what to do on this flop?

600-700 pre, shove flop

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shove pre? has anyone played back at him? does he fold?

Just go all in preflop. Your stack size just doesnt allow for any play, you have no room to bet fold if you commit that much of your stack with a large, 560ish raise preflop or really on the flop after that for that matter. So basically, your pot committed if you just raise a large amount preflop, so be the aggressor, make the bet(all in), and hopefully he doesnt called u with A10o and flop trips.

not with a shove, only with raise and i don't think he love the fold button very much because he showed down crap hands a lot

I would 3bet to 480 pre then cbet 450 on the flop.

I would not shove pre flop here as you're folding out too many hands in his range that you beat.

cbet with what plan? fold? if we bet on the flop with my stack we must shove.

I think your original line is OK. As played (your stack) it is a shove. you are looking for a flop with undercards or a pair, only a few hands have you beat here. for the future you should evaluate your bet sizeing for your stack and your opponents stack...ex. if your RR is to 400-460 the pot would be around 1000 this may allow you to CB 750-800. (as an example) and still get away if you feel strongly that he hit.

imo i dont think a shove is the rite play bc blinds are so low.
i think 3 bet with a good size c bet on flop is best play.

I'll give what I consider to be my standard advice.

Plan ahead. Reraise to an amount such that, if flatted, shoving the flop won't be a huge overbet. In this case, that means 3-betting to around 750.

On the flop, shove.

i like your line a lot, my only doubt is: given i have position, what i do if villain flats and shoves (or bets) a flop of the Kxx or Axx tipe?

You call. Sometimes you're beat, sometimes villain turns up a random hand.

i like this

Shoving pre is awful w/ this stack size, facing a min raise, and w/ no antes in the pot.

(unless villain has an absolutely insane calling range... like seriously insane)

PageUp has this nailed

pageup is rarely wrong

Plan? If the villian check raises you or shoves over your cbet then you have to re evaluate yes. Folding here leaves you with an M of just over eleven.
Is he beating a pair of nines here if he does this?
Your description of the villian suggests his range is wide enough to make a call in this spot profitable IMO.

My point is that it's you that is the pre flop aggressor and you're taken control of the hand. He's flat called OOP and checked to you.
A big ace makes up a good part of your 3 bet range pre flop and you should be making a cbet which continues this story.

I think shoving on the flop says I want you to fold. If you have an ace you wouldn't want him to fold and you want to make a standard cbet size that disguises when you have it and when you don't.

If your advocating shoving the flop due to stack size then your essentially saying your going to shove any flop regardless. This folds out weaker hands you want a call from or turns your hand into a bluff.

So if this is the case then your preflop 3bet commits you to the pot so why not shove it all preflop with more fold equity and be happy with a 10% stack increase? Because this means shoving when your M is 19 and turning down the opportunity to play a pot with a weaker opponent with position and a solid starting hand that's beating his range.

So, you do want to start shoving with an M of 19 at the 40/80 stage?
In this example, I'm suggesting no. Sure it takes a bit of skill to play short with a vulnerable hand like nines but it's not impossible for a man of your calibre surely?

your thougth process make sense but the problem imo is that we are burning half of our stack doing this and if he flats the turn we have a bad stack size to dubble barrel. In addiction on a flop like this some villains can go mad and shove our cbet with 66-88 or even air and i dont like folding here after committing so many chips. In this hand seems all options sucks a bit...

your last sentence seems quite sarcastic, maybe you find my previous answer a bit unkindly, i apoligize in this case...

Isn't this the bst reason to shove? Don't like a go and go cause he will call with his KJ or Q 10 and we may be shoving the flop into any made hand..

Hey KK no sarcasm from me my friend just offering my thoughts.

We're not quite burning half our stack here but anyhow yes so be it.
I was talking about if he flats the flop cbet not the turn. If he flats the flop, like I said we re evaluate but I'm calling a check shove here with a good chance of being ahead.

I suppose my thinking is with this kind of stack size it's all too easy to fall into shove mode before really it's needed. Adding 10% to your stack at this stage doesn't improve your ability to make more moves and it only makes your M just over 20. For this your risking all your stack and tournament life.

Your faced with exactly the same descisions until you double through and I suggest the sharper players at the table will tighten their calling ranges and pick your shoves off. Your stack size is forcing you to get busy and this is what I'm suggesting.

oh ok i misunderstood your prev post, if you are calling a flop shove i can agree with you. Basically you are not shoving but cbetting bc you think this gives you more FE, right?

I don't know about more FE. But I am advocating you can still play poker here against this opponent on this flop.

It's small ball but the smaller pre flop 3 bet protects your hand against others yet to act - I'm suggesting your folding to a re raise from a late position without too much trouble and your folding out others behind with mediocre holdings with your 3 bet. You want to be HU v this villain. I think mediocre hands are still folding if you make it 430 instead of 560.

The c bet on the flop continues the story.

I'm with Pageup except I won't go so far as to say shoving is awful. I much prefer to play it like Pageup.

Please don't shove pf, I like the line played here as it makes a shove on the flop not such and overbet. However I am folding if he shoves this flop.