Don't have the HH, played this hand today. (Chips are approximated)

200/400 blinds w/pstars ante
HERO (utg): 4.5k chips (AJos)
D00d1 (utg+1) 800 chips
Dood2 (sb) 800 chips
Dood3 (bb) 6.5k chips

Dood3 is unknown, doods 1/2 are probably regs. Haven't really noticed big stack pushing ppl around but I was playing a bunch of tables and I don't think he just acquired his big stack recently.

SHOVE or MINRAISE/FOLD to shove (if no little stacks call)

I don't play these but if he isn't exploiting minraise and fold to a shove seems guut.

What about folding straight away ? is it that bad ?

Shoving can´t be good considering ICM.I´d raise 999 / fold .

I'd say folding would be bad. Let's look at two scenarios

1) REG is Dood3 and shoves light: He isn't reshoving any two and he knows my range is pretty tight here. He is likely to fold a lot because he is good and knows that if I am minraising I might call a shove. He is also likely to shove me lighter but still not light enough where I am going to open fold AJ. I think this player probably does not shove 50%+ so I think the min raise is profitable.

2) NOT REG: could be crazy and shove any two, could also be passive and call, could also fold a lot of hands here.


argument for shoving would be if you are playing someone who reshoves very very light and will exploit min raising more often then not. or if you are playing some donk who will call a min raise with any trash and donk around on the flop but would otherwise fold to the shove.
I'd say open fold is out of the question unless you are playing some insane dude who has been trying to shove everything with the chip lead.

Nicely explained ^^^^.

So,considering Villain is unknown to you the right play is open/folding then.
My question is what the purpose of the thread is, when you obv know, better than most of us,what the right move is.

I mean you give us two choices : Shove or Open/folding. The former can not possibly be good in any scenario on the bubble with 11BB left and two shorties about to be busted ,both with 2BB left.

I dunno if it is that open and closed and i wanted to see what other regs had to say about it. I lean towards min raise/fold but I imagine a lot of regs would ship this.

As CL isn't a reg I'd make it 900.

Shoving isn't a mistake, Wiz has this as profitable even if CL calls 20%.

Limping seems good here.

You can obv call if one of the shorties shoves, plus the BB is unlikely to iso when that happens. It also lets you get away even cheaper if the BB does decide to push you around.

The key factor here is that villain is unknown to us.Being villain a regular,where we have a good grasp on his game,his shipping range,and he also is aware of our play, our understanding of ICM and blah,blah might make a difference.

Still our equity in the hand with AJ is never going to be more than 60% unless we are called by worst Aces .From an ICM point of view, losing this hand is a total disaster (both shorties would have a laugh for sure ).

Against an unknown villain capable of calling a shove with crap such as KJ,even a ship with QQ might not be optimal under this circumstances .

Min raise call .... For metagame

i think i'm going to start minraise calling all kinds of trash against regs. just for monster meta game. I might lose 20k this week but no reg will ever shove me light again.

wow a $335 9 man turbo your playing with the big dogs like azntracker and dana_gordon I would just ship it pre and not worry about the other big stack calling but a minraise wouldn't be bad either Im not going to even ask what type of bankroll you need to play in that those stakes

minraise/fold seems good with a non-pwning big stack. with an aggro/reg bigstack, prob limp/fold.

dam that's 60BI your my hero!