#Game No : 605034994
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 605034994 *****
$1,000/$2,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem - ***
Tournament #60270407 $1.80 + $0.20 - Table #8 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: MarioZamboni ( $43,434 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $95,355 )
Seat 5: CamelTo5 ( $31,310 )
Seat 6: Maraca28118 ( $72,056 )
Seat 7: bdw230 ( $12,982 )
Seat 9: ianricho ( $41,098 )
Seat 10: 19dan19 ( $68,569 )
london_ace posts ante [$250]
MarioZamboni posts ante [$250]
ianricho posts ante [$250]
CamelTo5 posts ante [$250]
Maraca28118 posts ante [$250]
bdw230 posts ante [$250]
19dan19 posts ante [$250]
MarioZamboni posts small blind [$1,000]
london_ace posts big blind [$2,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 3, 2]
CamelTo5 folds
Maraca28118 folds
bdw230 folds
ianricho folds
19dan19 raises [$4,000]
MarioZamboni folds
london_ace raises [$8,000]
19dan19 calls [$6,000]
** Dealing flop ** [ T, 5, 8 ]
london_ace checks
19dan19 bets [$11,375]
london_ace raises [$24,000]
19dan19 calls [$12,625]
** Dealing turn ** [ 3 ]
london_ace checks
19dan19 bets [$34,319]
london_ace ????




Hey,

Villain was opening up quite a bit no other reads.
As for my image , I've been playing conservatively , I've not been involved many pots either.

We are roughly 30bb effective OTF , i think the best option here is to c/r GII , for some reason i never did that , but usually i would, i just wanna know how you guys would of played it post?

the problem is if we decide to c-bet and V raises , and we then GII we don't have much fold equity. Where as if we c/r shove otf we have more fold equity , and even if called we will still improve 34% of the time.

also are we ever calling the shove ott? i kinda regret checking ott , i knew he's gunna shove on me lol , it prolly would of better if i had shoved ott imo....

anyhow when V calls my 3-bet i discount hands like AK/JJ+.
Seems as they called my 3-bet wide...maybe with hands like A10/J10s or 77/99/ which really they should be 4-bet shoving/folding with...so i've got no idea where i stand in this hand.

I mean, your both bigstacks, and your minraising his open with 23s virtually guaranteed to be playing out of position. I don't think anything good can come of that. It just seems unessarry. If I did 3-bet him I would size it like 3-4x to put pressure on his tournament life otherwise he will call with his entire raising range and have position on you the whole hand.

JFC! Fold pre.

lol

You aren't going to turn a profit doing this, so you should probably stop

Fold pre definetly im never playing this oop

my sizing pre was fine , it wasnt a mini raise , it was 2.5bb , V made it 4k , I made it 10k. So I'm not questioning my sizing pre neither am I questioning whether i should 3-bet/f this hand.

and @ delaney, 3-betting any two can be profitable in the right situations.

my question is how we should play this hand post....that's all i would like to know.

JFC? what does that mean?

JFC= Jesus ****ing Christ

Ty Sir.

Seems as Puzo has had bad experience playing the hand 32s!

Lol.

Jeesh bro.....

Firstly, Da **** we doing pre flop, 3 bet is horrible in its self, the size is also pretty awful.

So we find ourself in this spot on the flop, Why would you not C bet? He can fold a lot of his range, and you have a flush draw, admittedly a **** one but surly is better to continue here

Lol

When i first saw this thread title I thought to myself that this thread could be a bit interesting/different.

I'll give my thoughts on pre in a sec, since your so keen on post. So, i calculate that the pot is roughly 22,500 on the flop. I'm fine with your plan in inducing a bet from villain. After he bets, and if you were to call, there would be 45,500 in the pot (or something close to that). After these bets villain would only have 46,944 left in his stack. So yes, if you're going to check-raise then make it a check raise shove. As played, after you turn a pair I think you need to rip on him, though it's going to be pretty high variance.

Now my biggest gripe with pre, forgetting about any debate of whether you can profitably 3b atc, is that this guy is two to your right. You will have plenty of opportunities when you're IN POSITION against this player to make a light 3b against him. You should avoid trying to play a marginal/weak hands OOP against a loose aggressive opponent. Attack & punish him when you have the positional advantage!

You've been around this forum long enough to know that this "i'm not interested in pre-flop, tell me what i should do now post-flop" logic is flawed thinking.

ok, ill go against the grain a BIT here and say i dont hate preflop. i dont like your sizing at all (more that you made it exact 2.5, really) i think you should bomb it with your junk more often.

that said, you should NOT be doing this if you don't know what to do post, which is the case here.

i would b/f flop, having failed to at least bet, i would x/jam, having failed to jam, i would rip turn, having failed to rip, i would snap snap fold.

Cheers @ dragons_egg , I strongly agree with what you have written much appreciated mate.


@ gamebone , I agree as well and ty. Most of the books i've read they say you can 3-bet 2.5bb especially if u think V will fold a big part of his range. what would your sizing be here? I usually make it 2.5bb. But yeah since OOP it should be bigger , roughly 12k?

totally agree with this.

You said yourself that you have no reads on him so you have no idea how would he react to a 3bet, but you can be sure that he will not give up on playing a pot with position on you. Your hands is behind anything he opened there and you are giving him such a great odds with the sizing you did that all u are doing there is trouble to yourself.. Just learn to never do that.

my reads were that he opened up often , so their range is pretty wide , prolly top 30% of hands they are opening.


whether they call 3-bets IP i don't know , i just thought the likelihood of them folding would be high considering I have a tight image.


although my sizing is 2.5bb the initial raise , this can be enough to take down the pot pre against some opponents , i'll have to make it 3x the initial raise more often though especially OOP

dont say such concrete things like that; its just gonna hurt you

i think things to take away from this instead are more like, dont dive off the deep end, dont take every spot, keep sizings varying (nothing wrong with 4x/folding here) and keep asking questions