14 players, 9 from the money

Maniac is in sb with over 150bbs. Earlier, Maniac opened utg with a9o, in a another hand he 3b a conservative player with q5s pre-flop.

The open raiser is abc, don’t know much but doesn’t seem out of line. OR has about 25bigs.

I just sat at the table 3 hands earlier with 20bigs.

OP in co, raises 2x, maniac calls, I complete in bb with 98o.

Flop is 956 rainbow. Maniac bets ½ pot.

Hero? Call or shove. I feel like I’m way ahead of the maniac but uncertain about the OR.

Call.

some corrections:

Maniac is in sb with over 150bbs. Earlier Maniac opened utg with a9o, in another hand he 3b an utg conservative rec player with q5s from the BB.

I was at the table about an orbit or so.

What's the avg stack?

If the "maniac" has 6x avg, then he probably is just playing correct poker.

If the player bet 3BB into a 6 BB then call and see what the OR does. If the OR folds the flop, then I might try and get it in on most turns.

I don't know about having to wait to see the the CO does before getting it in. If we call and the CO shoves, do you really want to fold top pair with 2.4:1 pot odds?

On 965 rainbow, what do we expect an ABC cutoff on 25BB to do? I think it's mostly going to raise - probably jamming their sets and overpairs if we call, and calling off with those hands if we jam. I rarely think they'll overcall (and certainly not with random overcard combos) and on this board they're not going to have many natural bluffs.

So by calling we give ourselves options. If the ABC cutoff jams and the maniac calls, we can fold. If the ABC cutoff jams and the maniac folds, I think it's close but against more ABC-ish players a fold is probably still reasonable. If the ABC cutoff folds, we can very often just call down against the maniac. When we jam, we not only let the cutoff play perfectly, we let the maniac play perfectly as well.

I think all this discussion is nonsense since it is played bad preflop. With 20 BB and the maniac in the hand you should wait for a better spot to open raise the hand or "resteal" shove.

Hero was BB and defended to CO min-raise, which is reasonable even at 20BB.

Hero gets a very good flop for him and still is getting a lot of troubles playing it... Call me nit, but not worth defending even to a min raise...

You are a nit.

This hand isn't great 3 way so I don't HATE a fold 20bb deep ESPECIALLY if the villain is perceived as a maniac. If villain is tighter, shouldn't we be calling a little looser?

89o is meh 3 way. We hit an 8 or a 9 and end up putting our tournament life on the line.

AP, I call the flop expecting to GII on most turns.

For some reason I think in reverse, since I'm getting it in with this maniac with 9 high and gut shot and he's calls with kx or some crazy shXX. He was that crazy with a lot of chips, like a kid in a candy shop and with 20bigs I'm gladly getting in with top pair and a draw. I should add he was giving an air of "I can't lose") I'm still far from the $. Rather take this spot with this maniac with one pair, then wait for a shove spot, or a hand to survive or win tougher against others. Lets say he was so lose and I was very ready to get it in with him if hit. Thus the pre spots. There was going to be very few oppurtunities with him with 25 min levels and my stack and he's got 250 bigs.

The problem was the OR.

After reading the for forum, I'm gladly defending this wide with 20 bigs. How wide is your range with 20 bigs. Regardless of maniac, I'm still defending 98o.