Villain 1 - A little splashy. He limps a lot. Has shown down a few big hands but also done some weird things. Limps the button a lot. He flatted QQ in the bb and c/f on an A high board and showed it. He called a 2.5 preflop raise with 34o OTB.
Villain 2 - Seems to be straight forward. He 3 bet AK and then checked a low flop and folded to a medium sized bet on the turn. Hasn't been caught with any weird hands or 3 betting very light.
Blinds 1K/2K 2K BB ante.
Villain 1 meant to raise but the raise was short so it was ruled a call.
Hero has 26BB
Villain 1 - 110K
Villain 2 - 55K
Preflop: Hero has XX on the button
3 folds, Villain meant to raise but raise it was a ruled a call of 2k, 2 folds, Hero thinks and calls, SB raises to 7K, BB folds, Villain 1 calls, Hero?
I was thinking about shoving my 13BB preflop, but decide it might be better to see a flop in position in Villain 1 did have a big hand. Now there is extra money in the pot and I am wondering if I shove then SB might reshove and we got headsup with an extra 7K dead money in the middle.
If you are talking about after sb made it 7k, hmm KJs+ KQo+ 77+. Idk this is a tough spot. You would think sb is strong if limp was meant to be a raise however I would probably want to see if sb knew that- maybe sb doesn’t know and is just isolating 2 weak limps. Hmm idk if I like limping button here? Unless table is really passive, 2 limps is a reason to attack and iso.
Idk there might be 7k dead money in a pot but I would be more worried about how my hand does against a calling range. Fine with a flip (obviously) at 13bb stack but want to avoid running into spots where we only face overpairs to ours and a flip as a best case scenario. I have say 77 here or maybe even 66, I’m just ripping over limp 1 if villian is opening wide enough per se or has an image they can open wide enough/ aka isn’t an omc.
If you have 26 BBs, I think backjamming is kinda fishy so I would only do it with a strong hand to induce calls. This is still essentially a 3 bet pot. I'd go with 99+, ATs+, AJo+ and KQ, maybe KJs.
If you have 13, then SB will have to call you with pretty much any two so I'd include the suited broadways, A8s+ A9o+ and pairs down to...66?
Given the situation I would mostly fold. I am sure you didn't call with TT+/AQ+ because you are in a perfect spot to jam over the limper. Folding leaves you with 12bb's (I assume),
The other problem is that SB raised knowing that the limper wanted to raise because of the ruling. And the 3-bet raise is smallish after two limpers. I would make it about 10k in this spot. So I think they want a caller or two...
If you have 26 BBs, I think backjamming is kinda fishy so I would only do it with a strong hand to induce calls. This is still essentially a 3 bet pot. I'd go with 99+, ATs+, AJo+ and KQ, maybe KJs.
If you have 13, then SB will have to call you with pretty much any two so I'd include the suited broadways, A8s+ A9o+ and pairs down to...66?
I take back what I said earlier. If the 3 bettor knew the call was meant to be a raise, he should be 3 betting pretty strong. I'd go with top 5% pretty much, 99+, AJ+, KQs. Maybe not even KQs.
This hand is kind of difficult to follow from your description bro, just fyi.
Your hand is at best what, like AJs, 77?
That will be the perception of the SB anyway. He also knows you’re short and he’s still bumping it up OOP vs a big stack to boot.
If somehow you happen to have AK or 99+ obv jam but feel like if you had either of those there wouldn’t be a thread about this hand, fold your trash imho.
I'd have very few flats or overlimps from button off 13BB in this situation - I'd almost always either shove or fold - so my back-jamming range would basically be the big pairs I limped in as traps.
Makes it kind of hard to answer your question since I don't know what your overlimping range is here.
I'd have very few flats or overlimps from button off 13BB in this situation - I'd almost always either shove or fold - so my back-jamming range would basically be the big pairs I limped in as traps.
Makes it kind of hard to answer your question since I don't know what your overlimping range is here.
I had 88. I don't really have many over limps in this spot. But I thought maybe this would be a hand that would be close between shoving and just limping.
I agree with nath. With 88 and 13bb back I am pushing anyway, it wouldn't matter to me that the initial raiser was thwarted.
As a side note, this is why you should announce your raise and not just throw in a stack. If he had announced his raise it would have stood, regardless how many chips he put out.
