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 bubble, BvB 16bb deep with A7s facing 3bet shove by CL.  bubble, BvB 16bb deep with A7s facing 3bet shove by CL.

08-30-2009 , 02:26 PM
Villain had reggish stats and has about 13% roi over 800 games at av buyin of $14. He knows how to pwn and I found him quite aggro.
How's my line?
Is this too thin?


Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 4 players
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BB: t5045 M = 12.61
CO: t2075 M = 5.19
BTN: t2935 M = 7.34
Hero (SB): t3445 M = 8.61

Pre Flop: (t400) Hero is SB with A 7
2 folds, Hero raises to t500, BB raises to t5020 all in, Hero timebanks and calls t2920 all in
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08-30-2009 , 02:39 PM
I think this is too thin given the stack set-ups. Even if you aren't crushed, I can't imagine you being far enough ahead most of the time to make this play profitable.
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08-30-2009 , 02:41 PM
tbh, i dont like ur call at all
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08-30-2009 , 02:45 PM
wow, this has to be massively -ev here.
if u reverse the situationand make villian SB and you BB and he open shoves from the SB, A7s call would be huge error even if his doing it real wide, which is essentially whats happening here. except his shoving range is tighter than standard ATC

edit: just quickly wizzed this with you as BB and villian as SB shoving atc and its -1.46%
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08-30-2009 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
wow, this has to be massively -ev here.
if u reverse the situationand make villian SB and you BB and he open shoves from the SB, A7s call would be huge error even if his doing it real wide, which is essentially whats happening here. except his shoving range is tighter than standard ATC

edit: just quickly wizzed this with you as BB and villian as SB shoving atc and its -1.46%
Don't think that's a good comparisson, since there is already t900 on the table in this case. Although I understand your point.
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08-30-2009 , 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deurdy
Don't think that's a good comparisson, since there is already t900 on the table in this case. Although I understand your point.
even with a 900 overlay its ,massively -ev mate and u know that

I am sure you post these to get action form other regs
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08-30-2009 , 04:01 PM
Doesn't look too good.

I'd prob just limp pf as well, but I guess raising is ok too.
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08-30-2009 , 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
even with a 900 overlay its ,massively -ev mate and u know that

I am sure you post these to get less action form other regs
fyp
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08-30-2009 , 04:10 PM
I don't mind raise PF, and I think its quite standard. But like Buffy said calling here is prob massively -EV. I think i would prob just fold here and take note that villain is aggro and hopefully try to pick up a big hand later and trap.
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08-30-2009 , 04:12 PM
You really had AA and edited HH as a joke

right?
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08-30-2009 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanao
fyp
nah he deffo does it to get more action, he lives for reg on reg action does our deurdy........
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08-30-2009 , 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
You really had AA and edited HH as a joke

right?
I just despise getting pwned when I'm ahead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
nah he deffo does it to get more action, he lives for reg on reg action does our deurdy........
I'm pretty sure it's discourage people from doing this with Kx type of hands..
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08-30-2009 , 06:58 PM
I mean for some metagame i guess its ok, i assume most regs will just lol at your raise call and not really adjust, and its not like you'll get lots of repeat spots to spew off equity in an attempt to tell him to gtfo your raises.

As to
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I just despise getting pwned when I'm ahead.
you happily fold when blinds are reversed and he shoves ATC into you right? I get there is now more money in the pot, but still...
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08-30-2009 , 07:04 PM
He was a non-sttf reg.
You're right that I'd snapfold if he pushes from SB.
But here I suspect him to be a smart-ass, which leads to me having mental issues with folding.
But every now and then I need people to tell me this is Spitlr (stupid play in the long run..). So thanks.
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08-30-2009 , 07:40 PM
Yes this is VSPITLR.

Btw if you don't like to get pwnd when you are ahead then just push this - I assume it is unexploitable.
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08-30-2009 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7castle
Yes this is VSPITLR.

Btw if you don't like to get pwnd when you are ahead then just push this - I assume it is unexploitable.
This is far from unexploitable

Reason is we are on the bubble and against CL for 15BB.
You would be surprised what hands are really unexploitable in this spot. I guess even AK probably isn't
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08-30-2009 , 08:04 PM
It is unexploitable in the sense that he can't gain by calling with some correct range (compared to you folding). Nash has you push this. He can obviously spitecall the hell out of you.

If you know he's good and is not spitecalling you, you can just shove.

And without having read all the other replies, 2,5x'íng this is probably REALLY exploitable. DONT do this if he pays attention and is good or is just overaggressive.
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08-30-2009 , 09:11 PM
spite
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08-31-2009 , 12:23 AM
SPITLR hahahahhaa. Dude, if you "despise getting pwned when [you] are ahead," you've found a leak. If he really is going to pwn you in this spot with a huge range, limp/shove over a 3x raise.
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08-31-2009 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by retam
This is far from unexploitable

Reason is we are on the bubble and against CL for 15BB.
You would be surprised what hands are really unexploitable in this spot. I guess even AK probably isn't
Exactly. Normal bvb principles are thrown out the window in spots like these.
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08-31-2009 , 02:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitlr
SPITLR hahahahhaa. Dude, if you "despise getting pwned when [you] are ahead," you've found a leak. If he really is going to pwn you in this spot with a huge range, limp/shove over a 3x raise.
this is what i was thinking. we already know he is very aggro... then why give him such an easy reshove. limp... let him raise... then put him to the test when we know we are ahead. i think this is a leak of mine too though. but we can't really be THAT far ahead here anyways so it really shouldn't be too hard a decision.
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08-31-2009 , 03:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitlr
SPITLR hahahahhaa. Dude, if you "despise getting pwned when [you] are ahead," you've found a leak. If he really is going to pwn you in this spot with a huge range, limp/shove over a 3x raise.
[x] leak found
[?] capable of plugging such leaks in game

How heavy can you weigh the value of:
1) being able to pwn bubble if you win the top here?
2) metagame message?
3) smiling when you hold up?
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08-31-2009 , 05:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by retam
This is far from unexploitable

Reason is we are on the bubble and against CL for 15BB.
You would be surprised what hands are really unexploitable in this spot. I guess even AK probably isn't
Yeah I was wrong. I obv didn't think that this is literally unexploitable (i.e. EV+ no matter what is calling range is), but unexploitable vs reasonable (though wide) range - i.e. up to 25%. But I still thought we can profitably shove A7s here vs 25%, which is clearly wrong. TY.
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08-31-2009 , 05:49 AM
i really think there is some value in complete or complete/shove with this hand and i also think there is some portion of our raising range we should be calling with it depends on what weight you give to his shoving non-ace K high hands

in short this is fine if you think villain likes reshipping K high hands and yes..shoving is unexploitable it will make a profit over time, there isn't a wrong way to play this hand it's very strong 4 handed
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08-31-2009 , 12:53 PM
Can someone plz explain why shoving is NOT an option?
You can shove A7s BvB with 40BB in a cashgame. Why not in a sng where the caller would cripple his healthy stack if he loses?

I like the limp shoving option best here though
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