Local $150 Sunday Tournament, passed registration period.

Far from the money.
1K/2K/2k

Fold to V in HJ calls (60K behind)
Button Hero, with QQhs with 30K

Villain is habitual limper and has a high bluff frequency.

Blinds are weak players, unlikely to 4b light. Although saw sb squeeze raise/call shove for 20bigs with kjs. SB has 20K, BB has 35K

Shove is most likely to get most hands to fold. This small raise size will not set off alarms with these daily players - who are weak and won’t notice that eventhough I’ve been shoving previously once with this stack size, my raise would look strong.

Raise to 8K, or raise to what? or shove?

SHOVE. You only have 15bb

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Yeah just shove, you may get called slightly light from the blinds if they think you’re messing around trying to pick up the limper’s dead money.

You pick up 7K if your shove isn't called and you have a premium holding if you are called. Sometimes with AA/KK I might raise to 5K looking to get a squeeze from the blinds but with Q-Q I like a shove here.

Yea, agreed to all that responded, but I didn't shove.

Raise 2.5x. All fold villain calls.

Flop KT7 dd

He shoves.

I have QQhs.

Villain?

In before EggsMcbluffin closes and locks.

OP obviously should have gone in pre, and is now being punished by the Poker Gods for failing to do so, because calling station Villain has K/7 os.

Nah bad guess I think in this hand there is potentisl to pick up extra EV by taking it to the streets.

The problem is even though OP seems to implicitly understand that, he hasnt told us much else.

OP what is actually your range here? Do you know it? Are you really confident you can find enough to properly balance your QQ+?

Please convince me that when you have QQ and 15 bb's, making a raise (and inviting the blinds to join you and HJ in a multi-way pot) is superior to pushing (which will usually win you the 7 bb's right now, increasing your stack by almost 50%, and also usually either be ahead of Villain or flipping if he calls.)

Also, let's not ignore the fact that the action which OP did take, betting out over half his stack, has more or less pot committed him anyway.

If you feel that a raise is superior to a push, how much do you raise? because it seems to me that any raise that is not large enough to pot commit you will make it far more likely that you see the flop multi-way, which seems like a bad outcome for a pair of QQ's.

My range here is QQ+, I would shove everything else I would play.

Limping has merit if you think there is 30% chance or higher a blind will squeeze.

Smaller raising has merit if the first villain will call then bet 90% of flops. High bluff frequency, does he donk after flop?

Optimal play is shipping, as previous posters stated. If original villain will call, lead most flops, small raising to eliminate the blinds has some merit.

How is betting 5K out of 30K 1/2 my stack?

I won't be able to if you're already this convinced...

Fair enough.

Yeah why not? People will wildly misrange you.

My bad, I was thinking 8bb when you actually made it 8k. So you raise it to 4bb's, not 8, and about 27% of your stack, not 50%.

C'mon, Eggs. You are always trotting out your ranges and your solver results, so let's see them. Or do you not want to post them because they indicate that the push is a superior play.

I think that my range here doesn't need to be balanced because as mentioned these players are really not aware of ranges > not aware, who opens what > no observance or awareness of stack sizes, bb's, or raise sizes - 2x, 3x, 5x, etc. Their only thought process is if its too much to call or too little to fold. Any astute player would know my range is capped here. Yet I may be all wrong, and it turns my hand face up vs the villian, not sure.

My 2.5x raise was to 5K (16% of my stack) because I wanted to get value from weak limps, and I'm on the buitton. Its late enough in the tourney that even 5K may knock out the blinds. But the K on the flop was problematic. However in this spot, the V has a high frequency. I block qt, so I guess if I call hoping for a gut shot or flush draw.

I still agree that shoving is best with qq, but it's a shame to not get some value from this premium. i yield to the better players in this forum. I'm just a rec player that has +EV modest years.

Is it still a shove with 17 to 18bb?

Jam pre...i think its a bit ridiculous to suggest anything else, with the exception of having some hyper agro in the blinds that always raises limped pots or 3 bets. There are much fewer bad outcomes when we shove and now we have to fold. I think its a clear fold without some read that V is doing this with hands like 99, or AT.

The only other thing I can imagine and Ive been seeing it online lately, is betting an amount that is clearly committing us, but perhaps more likely to get a call or at least cause people to level themselves in to making a mistake - so, in this instance, it would be raise to like 17k. Jam or call flop 100%.

I really dont think this spot is even close to considering a 2.5x raise.

?? Dude, blinds are 2k. He said he raised to 2.5x. That is neither 8k, nor 8bb. Its not 27% of his stack either. Math is hard.

You are getting value no matter what!! There is 7k in the pot already. You raise to 2.5x, so at most you are getting maybe another 6k in there, but much more often just another 3k and of those times you will be getting stacked some %, folding flop some %, and of course doubling up some %. I think prob about 70% of the time you cbet flop and take it down, but a third of the time you are going to have some tricky post flop decisions.

I already said "My bad," about 8K versus 8BB. Not sure that it could be more obvious that I was responding to this: Critical thinking is hard.

Hey Eggs, still waiting for those solver results.

Go read again. You still had it wrong which is why I even responded. Even in your "my bad" response, your correction was way off. That. Is. All.