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10-31-2023 , 05:47 PM
€120 side-event during Malta Poker Festival; big field of around 500 players. 30 minutes blinds, 2 day event where 15% of field advance to day 2.

We started with 100,000 chips and 200 big blinds, table is playing 10-handed (sigh), but I believe we were only 9 players for this hand.

Hero stack: 118,000
MP stack: 55,000
BTN stack: 76,000

MP: Most aggressive player at table, seems ok, although he has taken a couple of weird lines postflop. I just won a decent pot from him.
BTN: Older female around 60. Random bursts of aggression, but limps at times as well, and is not overly aggressive.

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Blinds 500-1000-1000

Hero UTG with 2c 2s, raises to 2300. Bit loose, but table was not 3-bet happy.
6 players (!) make the call, including both villains & both blinds.

Flop (14800): 2h-Kc-Kh

SB checks
BB checks
Hero bets 5000, in hindsight should go higher. A King calls any bet, and I will look strong here no matter what size.
EP folds
MP calls 5000
CO folds
BTN calls 5000
SB folds
BB folds

Turn (29800): Qc

In my head this is a terrible card as KQ was one of the likely holdings I thought they could have. That said, must still get value vs other Kx.

Hero bets 14000
MP calls 14000, with only around 25k behind.
BTN (woman) min-clicks it up to 28000, with 40k or so behind.

Hero?
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In game this felt like a very weird spot, as I cannot see the woman playing a random King like that, and she would likely choose another sizing on turn if she wanted to get aggressive with it. This stinks like value, and even a weirdly played QQ now beat me.

Not too worried about MP, although it's hard to know what he could be calling with that is not a King.

Do we call and evaluate river?
Do we call and then call all rivers?
Can we ever fold?
Or should we just jam given pot is now (85800) and opponents have half pot or less behind?
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10-31-2023 , 06:24 PM
How do you lead into 6 people on the flop and 2 people on the turn ( with a horrible turn card btw) and then suddenly not know what to do.
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11-01-2023 , 05:46 AM
Definitely a strange spot.

It seems like the BTN can either have KQ or has Kx and is trying to limit her loss if you have like AK. She might check back the river.

Personally on the turn I would click it back too. Make it 42,000 and then jam the river. If she has KQ then so be it.
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11-01-2023 , 10:12 PM
My point, not eloquently stated, is that you clearly played this hand to get it all in so don't lose your nuts because she min-click raised you on the turn.

If you wanted to lose the minimum with the under full house, play the flop and turn differently. Any and all Kx raises the turn in position.

Assuming they both have Kx, you flopped the dream and yet no matter what they hold as a kicker you most likely have to dodge nine cards on the river (25%) but tripling up is worth it.

The only cards I check fold to on the river are the unlikely fourth k or the q.

Last edited by jjjou812; 11-01-2023 at 10:20 PM.
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11-02-2023 , 07:11 AM
Ok, thanks for the responses everyone.

'jjjou812' - I was still trying to go for value on the turn, but I'll admit that I didn't have a clear plan if I got raised. At least not for that sizing, as I would have expected any raise to be all-in given the pot size etc.

In game I just decided to go with the hand, and moved all-in. MP folded (no idea what he could have had), and woman obviously snap-called with the expected KQo.
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11-02-2023 , 11:18 AM
It's pretty clear that you didn't have a plan- that was kinda my point. You hammered the turn for value with 2 of the 6 preflop callers, got raised and then finally thought "gee, maybe one of them has me beat.". Did you not think one of them had a k? Did you think if they have a k what kicker might they not reraise preflop? Do you really think they limp called ak given the preflop/flop action?

And while you did flop the under full house, it's the absolute worst one. How many undercards do you expect to fall on the turn....
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11-02-2023 , 11:35 AM
It's hard to imagine folding a full house in nlh except in the truly horrible run-outs but if you have ever played Plo, it can be a easy fold.


Imagine you flopped this same hand in Omaha. You lead into the field for pot and get two callers, what do you think they have? Let's assume they both have Kx with no pairs in there hands and they share no hole cards (probably not likely) - you are just about a coin flip with the field. And worse than your scenario, you really have no clue when they hit their kicker other than they bet pot.
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11-02-2023 , 06:13 PM
I wonder if going for a check-raise on the flop is better here. I would basically never c-bet in a seven-way pot from EP, and with that many people in the hand, it's increasingly likely one of them has a king and will bet it.
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