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05-25-2014 , 10:22 AM
MP is a passive fish. BB is a crusher reg ($34/25€ avg bi) playing mostly a taggish style. He's 16/15/7 over 158 hands.
Are you fine folding on the turn ?

PokerStars - €9+€1|1500/3000 Ante 300 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 79,425 (26bb)
MP+1: 64,800
CO: 185,117
BTN: 131,113
SB: 390,378
BB: 172,689 (58bb)
Hero (UTG): 173,311 (58bb)
UTG+1: 121,383

8 players post ante of 300, SB posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 6,900) Hero has A A

Hero raises to 6,750, fold, MP calls 6,750, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3,750

Flop: (24,150, 3 players) 7 5 K
BB checks, Hero bets 10,000, MP calls 10,000, BB calls 10,000

Turn: (54,150, 3 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 20,001, MP calls 20,001, BB raises to 155,639 and is all-in, fold, fold,
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05-26-2014 , 05:43 AM
yes
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05-26-2014 , 08:36 PM
wow thats a difficult spot, i think the possible flush and s8draws (i thought about 89h, A4h, A6h, 68h...) make it even more difficult, without that ones i think you can fold most of the time, in exactly that situation its quite difficult. I mean there are a lots of Hands in your range, what you have to fold against that shove, so if he is a crusher as you told us he knows your range and that you have to fold there a lot, so he might be capable of semibluffing there, with that much of deadmoney in, sec. point i would think about is if he is a player with that tag style who flats AK pre some of the time, or even more, well i think he might call the turn instead of shoving with ak but dfntly possible.

So his range can be: 55,77, well sometimes 64s, maybe AK, and a lot of flush draws especially combinated with str8draws

If he is that of a crusher he is capable of thinkíng about your range and if he guess that you are a decent player he knows that you have to fold almost all your hands against that shove with that many bbs left, execpt kk, well even aa and ak you might fold, what you actually do in that situation. And a lot of the time he might raise sets on the flop because the flushdraw, obv some of the time not. But thats deep in guessing game. I think i would call in that exact situation against exactly that player. Generally i think i d fold, if the player is not capable of thinking that wide, what most players are not. But against a $34/25€ avg bi i call that.

well, its still a hard decision and guessing game, so i can just tell what i would do, tho i am not sure if better players would admit,, i just give my thoughts
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05-26-2014 , 10:18 PM
I really hate your turn sizing it makes me want to call
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05-27-2014 , 06:18 PM
I didn't realize my sizing could induce that much. I really thought ingame that my 2nd barrel looks pretty strong against two players. Interesting thoughts! Thanks guys
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05-28-2014 , 03:37 AM
27k/fold I guess.
Villains range is never 1 pair here. Our hand is pretty face up/strong when we double barrel into 2 players on pretty dry board as utg raiser. Don't really like villains shove as semi-bluff with what we rep.
Unless he thinks you are capable of folding a monster on a dry board.
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05-28-2014 , 06:26 AM
probably he have some str and flush draws ott and decided to sare you out of your hand cos it is less likely for you to have a K and PPs lower than K you fold here... so I'd do the same with mega draws
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05-28-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vanlakos
probably he have some str and flush draws ott and decided to sare you out of your hand cos it is less likely for you to have a K and PPs lower than K you fold here... so I'd do the same with mega draws
Megadraws??? We have Ah. And what straightdraws does villain have in his range?

Last edited by MasterJ009; 05-28-2014 at 12:00 PM.
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05-28-2014 , 12:41 PM
u realize his entire value range is 77 55 64 here given action I dont think he's going to overflat 75 or K7 K5 otf.. sets and straights are hard to make yo and I don't know if he just crams turn with them seems to be a waste of value... Our hand looks weak given ur turn sizing.. I think he has enough air/pr fd/pr fd gs to call here once we size like this.. if we had bet like 40k or something ott I'd be fine with folding
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