No history with villian, just got moved to table 2-3 hands ago. Think ~25 people away from bubble.

I don't like it; I think it's a case study in the perils of playing SCs OOP. We have the initiator check the flop, and then cold call our raise. Immediately alarm bells go off. And then he sees you check the turn after you took initiative, and you call given price. What exactly are you repping????

He's likely polarized to a busted draw or nutted - 77,88, possibly 78 but you have no idea which since you're first to act.

Yeah he could bluff you off the pot with his busted draw on the river, but hey that's what you get playing SCs OOP.

c/r turn, jam river better than c/c turn and jam river?

Whole line is butchered. A standard SB flatting range is going to do very poorly on low flops which will make defending vs bets a real problem. Because of this, I don' think you should be looking to work in x/r on 872r even vs min bet.

nailed it as usual.

i would also strongly consider doing sth else pre, id personally flat little to no hands from the sb and T9s seems like a pretty decent hand to squeeze with.

postflop you literally rep zero hands taking this line. flopped sets or 2p (even though you probably shouldn't have 2p) that x/r the flop will barrel turn as well. you cant have straight combos otr because those shouldn't be in your preflop flatting range. same goes for rivered 2p but in addition to that you wouldn't x/r flop with 75 or 85 even if you somehow manage to flat those pre.

if you are villian whats hands r u calling with? i just jamed since i had the blocker and i sometimes overbet jam with nuts like this. but ya i felt like i butchered this one for sure since no dynamic at this table.

98o, maybe 7x

I agree with the others, you have to play squeeze or fold pre with this hand. The rest of the hand just looks like fancy play syndrome.

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We overcall sb thus will hit it ok, btn peeling 25bb also wont be all over it.
Reaching mdf is less of an issue 3 way although yeah its a funny cliche and MP isnt capped really.
I dont see issue w/ c/r vs min-bet.

he tanked forever and folded. just curious if he folded a big hand or tanking about hero calling with really weak one. idk just felt really spewy right after i did it. if most of you guys calling here with just a pair prob terrible line by me and a spew for sure.

Personally I don't mind pre or flop. I think it's very reasonable to flat strong suited connectors from the SB multi-way, and would argue that nearing the bubble you want to be flatting some hands that would normally squeeze when you are 2nd in chips and chip-leader has opened.

I think flop check-raise is fine, I'd personally go bigger (this is barely 1/3 pot once you match the BUT bet), but giving yourself a good price can't be terrible. However, I think this check-raise can only be profitable if you are approaching the hand like a game of chess (ie. thinking multiple moves ahead).

You should have a clear plan of what turn cards you are barreling/giving up/check-raising before you make this raise, and have specific plans vs. MP call/BUT call/both call. You should also have an idea of what sizing you want to use on future streets. One of the reasons I would go bigger on the flop is that, with our strong hands, I think it's best to structure our betting in a way that allows us to get stacks in with similar size (relative to pot) turn and river bets. Naturally our bluffs will work better following a similar pattern, unless you have a relatively balanced over-betting game. Going larger on flop also puts the BTN in a position where he needs to ship it or go home, and I don't think we want to incentivize either villain to peel lightly here.

I think the Q is one of your better barrel cards. If villain floats many high card hands they will have way more Ax and Kx than Qx. Backdoor flush draws are a bit of a concern, but so are meteors striking you in the head on your way to work in the morning. The Q brings 0 new straight draws, so I think it's quite unlikely that villain gained a lot of equity on this card.

I've personally never tried the double check-raise maneuver in any game I was taking seriously, so I can't say if I think it's effective. I think you may add more hands to villain's spite-call range than you add to their folding range compared to barreling.

Hard to think of many hands that your river shove represents. 96s and 64s are pretty hard to get credit for from the SB, as well as any two pair other than 87s, which probably barrels turn 100%. Have you ever in your life played a set this way? How about J9s with flop BDFD? Which are you more likely to get credit for?

That being said, I think it's pretty ballsy to shove River and, unlike some of the forum heroes above, I think it will get a lot of folds if you and villain have no history. How can he have any idea that you are a player willing to risk tourney life and a 50bb stack near the bubble on a complete airball?

If villain folds 57% of range your shove is +chipEV. That being said, ICM considerations make it hard to think you're not spewing if villain doesn't fold 75%+ of range. I think this does fit into the category of spew, but defo not the worst of what I frequently see winning regs do.

If we were looking for good spots to squeeze in a tournament this would be up there. With the stacks the way they are don't mind a flat pre but if I thought mp3 was raising too much I think squeeze is fine.

If you raise that flop you gotta keep your story going

You actually want to play tighter 3 ways than you do heads up in regards to pre flop. The threshold to value bet or bluff is a lot higher than heads up.

Pre is fine if u play ok post

Jeez just take that amazing price to hit your straight and call flop.
Pokers not that hard at times


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I agree with bump. As the hand played, I'm never raising that tiny flop bet with the price I'm getting to peel a card for practically free. I'd rather bluff the turn and river once I get that price, particularly because a turn check-raise is so much stronger than a flop check-raise, especially if you're willing to bomb the river as you did.

I agree that there is absolutely no need to risk more chips on a semi-bluff when we can happily collect our equity getting a very good price (although we don't close the action and MP3 gets a great opportunity to apply pressure). However, aggressively increasing our variance in spots like this can be very profitable if we are putting villains into uncomfortable positions where they are likely to make big mistakes.

I think either approach can be a +EV part of a winning strategy. I'll do some cRev work on this hand when I eventually come up for air between MTTs, and share my findings.

Not trying to embarrass you or to be "that guy," but replay says he called. Just curious if he had a big hand or hero called with really weak one. BTW with your line of c/r flop, c/c turn, c/r all in on river your hand is pretty face up IMO. You either have a monster or air, that's it. That scrambled board doesn't lend itself to monster hands. If I were villain I'd hero-call with almost anything.

sorry meant Donk all in on river.

Blocker to what? He shouldnt have any straights in his range.

You actually block the hands you want villain to fold, 99 TT......

You dont have enough value to c/r flop hear imo.

I've fudged some of the details of the hand to make it run through CrEV smoothly. BUT folds preflop and MP3 cbets 1/9th of pot with all hands. Dead money is added to the pot to account for what SB contributed. I ran this on cash mode, as I didn't see the point of making up tournament conditions with little exact information, so the simulation is ignorant of any ICM considerations. All turn decision points are in check-down mode.

I've got MP3 opening 38.5% of hands and SB flatting 22-TT, suited Broadways other than AK/AQ, suited Connectors T9-87, KQo and AJo.

Given the options of folding, calling, raising 2/5 pot or raising 90% pot:

SB never folds

Calls 58.6% of hands

Raises 2/5 pot with 2.3% of hands

Raises 90% pot with 39.1% of hands

The hands which always raise large are TT,99,77,22 and... T9s. JTs raises the larger size >98% of the time, but occasionally mixes in the smaller size with BDFD outs. QhTh mixes in calls 11% of the time but otherwise QTs always raises the larger size. 88,98s and 87s always raise, but mix in smaller raises about 13% of the time.

QJs, 66 and 33 are the clearest examples of mixed strategy. 33 and 66 prefer calling but mix in a large raise 39% and 36% of the time respectively. QJs prefers raising but mixes in calls 35% of the time, with QhJh calling 70% of the time. All other high card hands strictly prefer calling, with only KTs rarely mixing in raises. 55/44 strictly prefer calling.

I also find it interesting that once SB check-raises to the large size, if MP3 can shove, call or fold, the bluffs it chooses to shove with are 65s,JTs and T9s. For all three hands the BDFD are always shoving while Th9h always calls, JhTh folds 70% of the time, and 6h5h shoves 78% of the time with a near even split of call/fold mixed in.

At least from a theoretical perspective, we always want to have a bluffing range for every aggressive action that we take. CrEV strongly prefers our strongest draws and our weakest air for bluffs. In this scenario, T9s is our strongest possible draw, and likely the best candidate for a check-raise bluff. I'd like it more if we had a backdoor flush draw.

ICM and table dynamics, among other things, can create situations where we can exploitively adjust to have no bluffs in our range. It's rarely going to be the best possible approach, but it is safer and easier to play some spots in a very straightforward manner.

what did he have op?

Playable hands perform better multiway.
Its not like we face cbet and call.

Nice work, very interesting.

Guess you dreamt this part as Replayer shows villain called with aces

LOL, I agree with other people that say your line doesn't make sense. You aren't going to c/r the flop and then c/c the turn and then Jam the river. Just doesn't make sense.