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05-10-2024 , 07:31 AM


This is a FT, 7/3068 left, blinds 40k/80k, I am third in chips and opened LJ. HJ and BB calls. Flop goes X - X - HJ B33 - BB Raise - Action on hero

I felt like this is either an all-in or fold spot, seeing reasons for both actions. What would you guys do in this spot, I will later reveal what happened in-game as well, just want to know opinions without being results oriented.

I was thinking that if the BB range has any combo flush draws, then this should be always a jam, but if there is only sets and straights, then it might be a fold, especially if we think we have an edge and don't want to risk losing a decent stack?

Appreciate any advice or thoughts on this one

Last edited by declone; 05-10-2024 at 08:00 AM.
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05-10-2024 , 08:10 AM
I'd probably have a hard time resisting shoving. I'm not sure it's right, but I'm also not really sure what BB's check-raising range is. It's a strange size to choose for so much of his stack.

Practically speaking, I wouldn't mind getting it in against one of them (preferably the short stack, of course), but two of them gives me pause. I guess a lot depends on what I think of the HJ's preflop and betting ranges here. If I know he's solid enough to have a strong hand pre and be betting it multiway here, that would give me pause. If he stabs a lot postflop when checked to, I'm not so worried. If he's loose pre but straightforward post, then I would be worried (if he's the type to have 98s/76s here, but wouldn't bet JT multiway).

So, it's tough and really opponent dependent. The preservation of your stack to win other bounties has some impact, as do the payouts. The BB having such a small bounty compared to everyone else makes me think it's not that relevant compared to the pay jumps. If it was bigger, I'd jam.

BB's check-raising range matters too, of course. Is it always strong, or are they check-raising worse flush draws, JT, 9x? Are they ever bluffing on a board that favors them?

Ultimately I think this comes down to opponent reads. Some opponents you can comfortably jam on in this spot. Others are always gonna have some two pair+ hand here. Most people are somewhere in between.

Like I said, I probably end up jamming absent any reads, because I have a lot of outs to the nuts, there's some chance they'll both fold, and I don't terribly mind being all-in against the BB with this holding. I'm not very confident that's the right answer, though.

Payout information would be useful, too. I'd like to see how big the jumps are, in particular relative to the bounties.
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05-10-2024 , 08:23 AM


Here are the results where payouts can be seen, couldn't find info about first and second because it shows them making a deal.
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05-10-2024 , 08:36 AM
First and second in PKOs are usually very close anyway - the deal may have just been to take their own bounties.

Hmm. Well, the bounty isn't that significant, but the jumps aren't that big, either. There's definitely an argument for folding and keeping a stack to potentially win some bounties; on the other hand, it's also not as simple as laddering because nobody after fratt is that short (second-shortest still has 25BB).

There's even an argument for cold calling or clicking back to see what HJ does in response. He's the one you really don't want to get stacks in with here. I'm not sure this line actually works or if it just ends up costing you chips, but it's an idea I had as to how you might realize your equity without over-committing against a huge hand.

Honestly, this is close enough and depends enough on how you think these players play that it probably just comes down to instincts and intuition for me - which in this case means I'd just judge based on what I've observed of these players as to what I think their ranges are. Particularly HJ, as I don't want to put myself at risk here.
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05-10-2024 , 08:46 AM
I actually ended up clicking it for similar reasons, I saw HJ calling pre already too much on the FT and wasn't too worried about his bet, assuming it is full of suited connectors which I would dominate. Regarding BB, had no info so this was me assuming he is capable of raising some weaker hands or draws here as the shortest stack in the tournament. He ended up having 55 with a diamond which left me with only 25% equity and became the shortest stack afterwards. Result:
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05-10-2024 , 10:21 AM
Shove. Original bettor probably folds and OK if he calls. Gii against short stack. Then you get lots of dead money and potential small bounty. Unfortunate short stack had set, but he could have something like QdJd which you have crushed. Short stack raising to 40% of his stack is troubling, but you can't fold.
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