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09-05-2023 , 04:41 PM
Day 2
$390K 1st place
170 cash
350/570 Day 2 players

5/10k 10K bb ante

Hero: in bb with about 550k
10c7s

Utg limp
Stack about 750k

another limp. SB completes blind.

Hero checks

pot: 50k

Flop: 10s 4s 5h

Checked to me and I lead 28k. First limper min raises to 56k. Folds to Hero. I elect to call.

Pot: 162k

Turn 6s. I check, V bets 120K.

I elect to call with top pair and oesd. 120k to win 182k and implied odds. Correct call?

Pot: 422k

River is Js. I miss. Backdoor flush draw comes in. Do we check fold here? Or go for a bluff?

My stack is about 374k. V has about 574k.
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09-05-2023 , 05:43 PM
I check fold here as played. UTG can have a flush. We do not block 55/44 and though we do block TT why wouldn't UTG raise with TT. UTG can also have AA and would call off our bluff with that.

It was a very small raise on the flop. If it was like 76s I would expect a check on the turn. But it now feels like a very big hand.

Personally I would have folded to the turn bet. We aren't getting the right pot odds and if we hit our straight we are not getting called if we bet (and UTG would basically always check it back). So implied odds don't really matter. The other reason to fold the turn is that the flush got there which would explain the small raise on the flop and the bet on the turn and of course we could be drawing dead.
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09-05-2023 , 06:51 PM
I am checking flop. Definitely giving up after getting raised 4-way. This hand seems pretty spew-y TBH.
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09-05-2023 , 10:39 PM
Not sure how you ended up getting about 1/3 of your stack in the middle by the river with a marginal made hand and 8 outs to the straight. The hole hand seems a bit of a blunder to me.

Defending pre is fine, but when people start limping UTG my alarm bells go off and I would proceed with extreme caution, unless I got a very good read on V.

Leading 1/2 pot into 4 people with a marginal holding seems ambitious and doesn’t make any sense to me. Care to elaborate why you decided to bet there?

Turn is just a fold every time. Your top pair no kicker is never good and you are 17% to hit your draw which doesn’t give anywhere near the correct odds for a call. You would need 45,8% on a call.
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09-05-2023 , 11:16 PM
Flop lead probably isn't great multi-way, but I don't hate it as much as others. Would likely go smaller, like maybe 25% pot. Our hand is probably best but needs a lot of protection, and we should be able to fold out a lot of overcard combos. As played calling flop raise is fine as our hand does have some additional hidden equity.

As played, probably ok in theory to check-call turn. The obvious concern is not getting paid off if we hit, but villain should be jamming a ton on a non-spade 3 or 8 with their sets and two pair hands and we call and win a decent amount. And when the fourth spade comes in it will go check-check a decent amount. (and sometimes we win when that happens!)

However, in a situation where we're facing open limpers who we assume won't have good bluff frequencies or reasonable range construction, folding is probably reasonable.

As played on the river, our hand is probably indifferent at best so check-folding is likely best, especially against a player who we think underbluffs.

Last edited by jpgiro; 09-05-2023 at 11:22 PM.
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09-06-2023 , 02:12 AM
I think the flop has a mistake because it says there are two spades on it, but then spades hit the turn and river and you say the backdoor flush comes in. As written you would have a flush with the 7s.

Anyway, assuming you meant there was one spade on the flop:

You probably need to be worried about the UTG limp here, unless you have reads otherwise. If you're leading the flop I would lead smaller, although I suspect you probably just shouldn't lead multiway.

As played I think check-raising all-in on the turn might be better than check/calling. It's going to be hard to get your draw paid if it hits, and by taking this line even in the face of the strength of villain's line you might fold out some of the hands that are ahead of you, like AT and overpairs. (You do have all the random two pairs and straights here, although the idea that you would lead/call a gutshot on the flop might be a hard line for villain to buy.) But I think it's probably better overall to check/call reasonable bets on the flop and turn.
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09-06-2023 , 07:05 PM
I am assuming there is a mistake on the flop suits (and the river is supposed to be the 3rd spade not the 4th spade):

If the 10s is on the flop, we can rep like one credible flush (4s5s) on the river and might c/r the turn anyway. That leaves us predominantly with sets to rep. Are we jamming 44 or 55 on the river? Those hands raise the turn a lot and get called off by overpairs plenty. Tbh we might have more fold equity on the turn than the river.
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09-07-2023 , 07:25 PM
Correct. There was one spade on the flop. I considered jamming turn but he wouldve called..

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Originally Posted by nath
I think the flop has a mistake because it says there are two spades on it, but then spades hit the turn and river and you say the backdoor flush comes in. As written you would have a flush with the 7s.

Anyway, assuming you meant there was one spade on the flop:

You probably need to be worried about the UTG limp here, unless you have reads otherwise. If you're leading the flop I would lead smaller, although I suspect you probably just shouldn't lead multiway.

As played I think check-raising all-in on the turn might be better than check/calling. It's going to be hard to get your draw paid if it hits, and by taking this line even in the face of the strength of villain's line you might fold out some of the hands that are ahead of you, like AT and overpairs. (You do have all the random two pairs and straights here, although the idea that you would lead/call a gutshot on the flop might be a hard line for villain to buy.) But I think it's probably better overall to check/call reasonable bets on the flop and turn.
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09-07-2023 , 07:30 PM
Thanks for replies. I definitely butchered this hand and needed to be more cautious in this limped pot oop. I ended up jamming the river. Hoping to fold out a 10 or over pair. I thought my jam could rep two pair or a back door flush.

V ended up in the hand with a set of 10s; limping in preflop.
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10-26-2023 , 11:06 PM
Not a fun spot, but I am definitely checking, personally. We have too much showdown value to bluff on this spot I think, and we are pretty much dead to a bet.

I'd rather hang on to my 37.4 BB and lose this pot than be knocked out at this stage of the tournament personally, but I suppose that's subjective.
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10-27-2023 , 04:13 PM
big spew calling that turn bet, and frankly I might just fold the flop. I am inclined to call the min check raise but he did it 4 way, and we're just hoping he has a hand like 88 trying to find out "where he's at". Not a spot to get involved.
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