Basically, my question is... will anyone ever fold this in a 1.10$ 45man in the money? Threeway, and only hand who's got me locked down at this point are rockets. Anything else is lucky. Using Stove it says vs two random hands I am about 70% to win, but vs the usual donksquad where one is 22+ and other is QJo+ I am about 60% to win. I personally dont like folding this in the donkstakes at all, but i really seem to be losing to much equity on this stage, so I welcome all opinions. Thank you.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t14905)
MP1 (t8335)
MP2 (t4165)
CO (t10315)
Button (t2655)
SB (t9090)
Hero (BB) (t9500)
UTG (t8535)

Hero's M: 3.96

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
4 folds, CO bets t10240 (All-In), Button calls t2580 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???

I call, but maybe people with better knowledge of ICM find a fold?

propbaly not in a $1 tourney, but what if it was higher stakes?

This is insta fist pump call! Never fld KK!!!!!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!!!

Always calling in this 45 man.

Im not great with ICM but i think it makes most diff if there are loads of short stacks who you are ahead of. OP is level with the majority of villians at table except MP2 and Button (who is all in anyway)

But i could be wrong. I still never fold KK

Yeah, I'm never folding here. You'll likely see an underpair and Ax here. Fist pump call and be prepared to be the new chip leader most of the time.

ICM shouldn´t result in terrible folds like this. You gain something by accumulating chips with a top heavy payout structure, which is the difference to sat bubbles.

On 45 Man bubbles I wouldn´t think about ICM with premium hands, it´s better to bubble with a good hand sometimes than to fold them imo.

yea, theres only 1 short stack (and he has 2 bbs), ICM would be coming more into play here if there was 6 shorties and 3 big stacks, and you were going to have to call against both big stacks.

Im never folding

Hi ,

Button is not a problem because he only has 2655$ so you just have to be worried of CO but here (and on 1$ 45men) he is probably pushing a lot of hand and you destroy his range. It's a call, ICM is ok. If button had a stack of 10K it's more close but here i snap especially on a 1$ tournament.

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if i fall asleep on my last table i may fold this.

i lol'd

nice post furo

This is not logical thinking my friend. If both players is matching my stacksize or more, and both players are all in preflop, I get 1-3 in pot odds, which I mean is very good odds, with a very good hand. Because iso-shoving ranges, even for good winning players, are wider then kings and aces. Isolating with a reshove is made with the intention of excluding the remaining players so you get the original raising/shoving player to yourself heads up. And thats something you can do with as little as 77/KQo if you're decent, I see worse players do this with 22+, A2o+, and those are even the better weak players, the complete monkeys reshove J5o, Q4o and such... thats why I mentioned that particular range earlier, because these are a couple of terrible coinflip ranges I see on a regular basis in "the land of the brainless"

Yes but button is probably calling 30% (or more) here with his stack. With 10K (if he is a good player) he only calls top 3 or 4% so your equity against both ranges is not very good and ICM probably make this a fold or a close call...

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Come on it´s a 1$ villains prolly didn´t figure it´s the bubble or they´re playing cards yet nor do they think "Oh my god, this is a sick icm spot!" or something. You got KK even if somehow magically this would turn out as an -ev spot at $1 the actual value of $ lost doesn´t even compare to Gomez´ current market value in rl.

i know squirrel, i know... but it's an honest question though, i just asked, does anyone fold. I obviously don't, but i wanted to find out if anyone had a reason to. So i could take a look upon my game, and perhaps improve if there were any room for it. We both know people who are regs in the 1$ games are very likely to be alltime compulsive gamblers who are most likely to gamble just as they see a big pot come, but thats not the point at all here.

No offense, I was just replying to camelia´s post. Sorry if it came off as denial...Not my business to judge.

Even if the short stack wasn't already in, it would be a call.

I'm sorry Squirrel, I just misunderstould who you were answering.

I think I got the point now, nobody folds here, which IMHO is the best play also.

Thanx guys.