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01-27-2014 , 03:08 PM
I met a party rep at borgata yesterday during the wpt. We talked about some things quickly that I thought were wrong or bad with party. They are aware of twoplustwo but didn't really bother reading through everything. Its not the same person who is "party_rep" on here. Its a different person who said they will look at this thread and I can hand them the link in person and they will push it up the chain etc.

So post suggestions in this thread on ways to improve party. Tournament structures, payouts, starting times, schedule, whatever you think will improve the site and grind. I think we shouldn't clog this thread with deposit and geolocatiom issues and instead keep it to poker specific problems and solutions.
01-27-2014 , 03:51 PM
Do not try to unify the program in one window. Let things like settings and rewards pop up in separate windows, its pretty standard and expected behavior. Plus for some reason the program seems really clunky when switching between different sections like lobby/rewards/account/settings.

Payouts seem to be super flat also.

Reduce rake to make it competitive with WSOP/888
01-27-2014 , 05:04 PM
Add more(or any) GTD tournaments from the $20-$100 range. This is really puzzling why you have zero of these stakes in the schedule.
01-27-2014 , 05:13 PM
Be more specific. What times or tournament types would you like to see? How should the payout structure change?
01-27-2014 , 05:23 PM
A $50 $5k gtd would fit nicely at 7pm. $7.5k gtd would be ideal but I'm not greedy. $35, $70 should also find their way somewhere in the mix.
01-27-2014 , 06:29 PM
also, there was an announcement that the $200 50k on sundays would be moving to 5:30, yet it's still sitting in the lobby at 7:30...when is it moving?
01-27-2014 , 07:53 PM
Please change sng payouts from 60/40 to 70/30
01-27-2014 , 09:41 PM
WSOP has a nightly $27.5 R&A 10K gtd and $11 R&A 5K gtd every day with good structure. Party MTTs suck, they need more guarantee tournament with decent structure and lower buyin. I know there is one 5K guarantee on most days (not on holidays) but that is all i can see. The other one $100 with 10K guarantee is not worth the time.

Here is my wish list,
$10 R&A at 7pm 5K guarantee
$25 R&A at 8pm 10K guarantee
$50 at 9pm 20K guarantee
01-27-2014 , 10:11 PM
I like what Gags had to say along with others. I have asked that the 50k be earlier. WHY NOT 4pm. Most of us are used to playing pre BF so we all played the stars/FTP majors that started at 1, 2, 3pm Why start so late. I have to be honest. I'm a rec grinder, but don't play the 50k every week cause I have to work at 8am mondays. I had the FT a few weeks ago and finished 4th busting at 4am. Yesterday's FT didn't chop until 6:30am and they said there was at least an hours play still.

The other thing if you PROMISED / announced all kinds of Sat & Sun majors in November..... Where are all these other tourneys?
01-28-2014 , 11:43 AM
While the 6 man sng traffic is not overwhelming, I think there is enough to introduce 9 man sngs and maybe even begin trying multi table sngs, at least 18 mans to start. I would love to see those being offered, given right now it is only 6 man and heads up. Someone also mentioned wanting to see heads up hypers, which I think would also be a good idea.
01-28-2014 , 12:21 PM
How about he shows some ****ing interest in his product and customer base and reads the threads in a sub-forum THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TO HIS PRODUCT.
01-28-2014 , 12:36 PM
It's not the same party_rep who does the twoplustwo posting. The point of this thread is to hopefully get a word out and make it easier to follow suggestions.
01-28-2014 , 12:52 PM
top 3 changes, coming from someone raking 5k+/month

1. need a higher tier level for rakeback, there needs to be a 35% effective rb tier at least if not in the 40-50% range. also ridiculous that cash rb is 10% while you can buy sng tickets at 16% rb, just annoying that I have to play sngs to get full value.

this is coming from someone 4-8tbling 200-400nl, treat your best customers right seriously. one of me is worth dozens of micro grinders

2. tournaments need to start earlier blah blah competitive rake blah blah

3. rake on HU sngs is comically high, lower it to a competitive level

other than that can't complain. easy to get in games and start games, like the lack of waitlists. love the fish and mediocre/bad regs. keep up the marketing its working, just try to take care of the grinders.
01-28-2014 , 01:05 PM
Cash lobby should be changed to show individual tables at a given stake, how many players are seated, hands/hr, avg pot size, etc. At the very least, show the individual tables and players seated. Very annoying to get seated and see only 1, or 2, players there.

Also in cash, please expose players' cards immediately when all who are in the hand are all in. Ai preflop and having to wait for the whole board to be dealt before the result is known is very tilting.
01-28-2014 , 02:09 PM
I agree with pretty much everything in this thread. Overall I like the site a lot for being in its early stages and understand there is a learning curve to all of this. Some of these changes would make a huge difference in the user experience and help the company grow. These players and myself have put in some of the most hours out of anyone actually using this software and others over the years, so really can offer some good advice to help improve everything. Some of my issues/suggestions are:

-Fixing the issue with the client crashing all the time. I usually do preventative shut downs about once an hour so I don't get caught in a big hand and loose what I have invested. It seems to happen more often with more tables added, but happens eventually with even just one table. I've lost a lot of money due to this. There are a lot of other people in other threads having the same issue.

-More midstakes MTTS/less flat payout structure. Like stated earlier, there isn't really anything good in this range, where a lot of people would like to play. Also, the payout structure being so flat makes it hard to get excited to play these tournaments. I think a lot of casual players would be more excited to play if they knew they could play a $20-$30 MTT and win $1000+. The sng payouts are really flat too, its almost like a half regular sng and half double or nothing. It takes away from people wanting to go for the win. But I think having a higher 1st place for MTTs would really be appealing to all players, help bring them into your site and help keep them. The reason people play MTTs is for the possibility of winning big, even if they get lucky.

-Hyper turbos/mtt sngs. Personally, I really like hyper turbos and they seem to bring a lot of excitement to the casual player too. Having some 6 max and heads up hypers would be great. I understand its a balance though between adding too many games and having enough players though (the same with mtt sngs). Although, if you did run mtt sngs eventually, maybe adding it in the main lobby like Full Tilt used to do would help bring a couple more players to the games.

-Small issues with the client that make it harder to play. The filter seems a little tough to use. I always register for the wrong game. Like the WPT qualifier sng still shows when I'm trying to filter to 6max. There isn't a way to look for hyper turbo mtts. Its also slow and unresponsive some times. It would be nice to be able to have preset tournament filters that the player sets up, and can just click them to have them show up. And be able to click multiple preset tournament filters at once to show all the games you want to register for. Also, the tournament announcement pop-ups make things difficult. I'm sure this helps bring some players to tournaments which is great, but there has to be another way other than blocking the current action on the table for 10 seconds, which makes people get behind in all their hands and even time out on some tables.

-Heads up rake. I have played a lot of $50-$100 heads ups lately. There is not many people playing and its probably because of the rake. I know you can charge what you want, but I think more people would play them if the rake wasn't so high.

That's all I can think of, hope it helps.
01-28-2014 , 02:27 PM
Posting the posts gags linked

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gags30
ok, took some time to analyze hte structure by hand:

so the 50k needs 270 runners to hit the guarantee (technically 270.2, but whatever) and they got 269 this week, so this is basically teh perfect time to analyze the structure

i've already said how paying 54 is way too much, but let's look at current the structure in %:

1st 16.5% = $8250
2nd 11% = $5500
3rd 7.8% = $3900
4th 6.45% = $3225
5th 5.2% = $2600
6th 4.25% = $2125
7th 3.4% = $1700
8th 2.55% = $1275
9th 1.76% = $880
10 - 13th 1.35% = $675
14 - 18th 1% = $500
19 - 27th 0.92% = $460
28 - 36th 0.87% = $435
37 - 45th 0.83% = $415
46 - 54th 0.79% = $395


as i already mentioned, a big part of the problem lies with too many people are being paid. paying fewer places would result in more money to be distributed to the top/rest of the places.

the second big issue is that places 19 to 54 are being paid way too much money. let's look at a min-cash: $395, or .79% of hte prize pool. If this were lowered considerably, to something like $250 or $300, then this money could be used elsewhere. Many of the people who enter this tournament have won satellites for a fraction of hte buyin, and would be extremely happy to receive $250 for a cash. For others who are buying in directly, I don't think anyone is particularly happy to finish in 54th place, and the general thought is "well hey at least i made some profit"..I don't think there is anyone that would upset receiving $250 for 54th place, yet happy to receive $395

ok, so if we lower the mincash to $250, then our payjumps can be similar to what is present, and allow for a better structure.


third, if we combine the smaller mincash with paying slighly fewer places, we can wind up with a much better payout structure, i've taken some existing ones from other places and modified them a bit:

1st 20% = $10000
2nd 14.5% = $7250
3rd 10.8% = $5400
4th 8.1% = $4050
5th 5.7% = $2850
6th 4.3% = $2150
7th 3.1% = $1550
8th 2.25% = $1125
9th 1.75% = $875
10 - 13th 1.5% = $750
14 - 18th 1.1% = $550
19 - 27th 0.75% = $375
28 - 36th 0.65% = $325
37 - 45th 0.6% = $300


alternatively, if you like more round numbers you can do something like this:

1. 10000
2. 7500
3. 5000
4. 4000
5. 3000
6. 2000
7. 1500
8. 1100
9. 900
10-13. 700 2800
14-18. 550 2750
19-27. 400 3600
28-36. 350 3150
37-45. 300 2700




finally, if yo'uredead set on paying 54 players take into consideration what I said, and consider a payout structure something like this:

1. 19.19% $9595
2. 14.25% $7125
3. 10.5% $5250
4. 8% $4000
5. 5.6% $2800
6. 4.25% $2125
7. 3.25% $1625
8. 2.25% $1125
9. 1.66% $830
10-12. 1.3% $650
13-15. 1.1% $550
16-18. 0.9% $450
19-27. 0.7% $350
28-36. 0.6% $300
37-45. 0.55% $275
46-54. 0.5% $250





look at your competition wsop.com...no one has once complained that payouts are too top heavy, yet on these boards you have several complaints that payouts are too flat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gags30
i posted this in the other thread, but it seems this thread is more for tournament suggestions, so thought i'd paste it here too:

ok, the schedule is coming along nicely, but i have a few issues with the timing of some tourneys and lack of midstakes ($20-$77) tourneys. anyway, here's my thoughts on it and what i would change:


6pm, have a new tourney. you've got a $750guaranteed $10 at 6:30, so how about something a little higher stakes at 6pm. you're really kicking off the nighly schedule with a 6pm tourney, so make it a good one. maybe a $20r would be nice just because there's not too many rebuys in the schedule. i think a $55fo or $33fo would be perfect here as well if you don't wnat to kick off the night with a rebuy...but people don't mind late-regging rebuys, because you get a lot of chips, so i think a rebuy would be best.

6:30pm $10 750 guaranteed bounty, looks good, leave it

7:00pm, move the daily $10k guaranteed $100 up to this timeslot. it's a pretty long tournament, and this is prime time in the schedule. you also get people to start their mtt schedule earlier, so they reg a few more tourneys, and also encourage them to late reg the 6pm tourney, boosting attendance across the board. with a nice late reg on this tourney (i would want to make late reg 2 hours for this particular tourney), you could still not shut out anyone who is coming home from work at 7pm and needs a little time to get changed or eat before they start playing poker.....(i think that eventually this $100 should become a $150 buyin, and the guarantee should be made $15k, but i understand leaving it low now as the economy still develops and people still are signing up. having a larger buyin as your 'flagship' tourney also leaves more room in the schedule for different buyin levels)

7:30pm, you've got the $5 $1k guaranteed 6max, looks good (noticing the trend, big flagship at top of the hour...generally mid/high stakes buyin...with the good lower stakes tourneys at :30)

8:00pm, since the $10r $5k guarantee is another really big 'flagship' of the nightly schedule (it has a great guarantee), put it at the top of the hour. it's basically the best tournament of the night if you only play lower stakes, yet because ti's a rebuy it still appears to most higher stakes players as well, so give it a nice spot.

8:30pm, since we moved up the $10r, we need to fill 8:30. you've got a red daily micro rebuy, which is fine. I would also move the $20 $2k guarantee up to this spot. it's already running 30 min after the $10r is, and doens't seem to hurt either field size, so moving this up here will be perfect for the 9pm timeslot coming up...

9:00pm...since the daily $10k has been running for 2 hours already, a lot of people have busted already. have a tournament that they want to play if they want another shot at a big prize. have another 'flagship' here. you could do something like another $100 and have a 5k guarantee on it. (this would be perfect once the daily 10k becomes a $150 buyin and the guarantee is higher...if you're getting the traffic you could have a $100 $10k guarantee here!) to start, i'd make this a $77 tourney though, could easily get 70 or 80 people.

9:30pm, there's really nothing here right now. i think having another low stakes tourney here is not a bad idea, but it's getting late, probably a good idea to start some turbos! this is the perfect time of the schedule to start filtering some in. a $10 turbo with a good guarantee is probably a good idea

10:00pm, you currently have the $5 1k guaranteed turbo, which i think is a good tourney at a good time. with that being said, i'm gonna stick to my trend of bigger buyin flagships at the top of the hour with lower stakes stuff at :30...so let's bump this either up to 9:30, or back to 10:30, for now i'm gonna favor pushing it back to 10:30... in place of this, let's do something like a nice big $30 turbo. if you can get 200 people in a $5 turbo at this time i think you can easily get 80-100 people in a $30 turbo at this time. (i don't have all the data in front of me for exact guarantees, but i would guess a $2k or $3k guarantee is not far fetched at all)

10:30pm, since i bumped the $5 $1k turbo from it's top of the hour slot, let's put it here. i don't think moving it back 30 min will affect field size, especially since it's a turbo.



with a schedule like this you wind up being able to sit down at 7:00pm, late reg the 6pm tourney, and register for a solid 3 to 3.5 hours. since the later tournaments are generally smaller fields and some are turbos, you wont' be staying up ridiculously late playing them too. it gives a chance for even a person who works a 9-5 job to play a full nightly mtt schedule!
01-28-2014 , 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nowhere2be
I agree with pretty much everything in this thread. Overall I like the site a lot for being in its early stages and understand there is a learning curve to all of this. Some of these changes would make a huge difference in the user experience and help the company grow. These players and myself have put in some of the most hours out of anyone actually using this software and others over the years, so really can offer some good advice to help improve everything. Some of my issues/suggestions are:

-Fixing the issue with the client crashing all the time. I usually do preventative shut downs about once an hour so I don't get caught in a big hand and loose what I have invested. It seems to happen more often with more tables added, but happens eventually with even just one table. I've lost a lot of money due to this. There are a lot of other people in other threads having the same issue.

-More midstakes MTTS/less flat payout structure. Like stated earlier, there isn't really anything good in this range, where a lot of people would like to play. Also, the payout structure being so flat makes it hard to get excited to play these tournaments. I think a lot of casual players would be more excited to play if they knew they could play a $20-$30 MTT and win $1000+. The sng payouts are really flat too, its almost like a half regular sng and half double or nothing. It takes away from people wanting to go for the win. But I think having a higher 1st place for MTTs would really be appealing to all players, help bring them into your site and help keep them. The reason people play MTTs is for the possibility of winning big, even if they get lucky.

-Hyper turbos/mtt sngs. Personally, I really like hyper turbos and they seem to bring a lot of excitement to the casual player too. Having some 6 max and heads up hypers would be great. I understand its a balance though between adding too many games and having enough players though (the same with mtt sngs). Although, if you did run mtt sngs eventually, maybe adding it in the main lobby like Full Tilt used to do would help bring a couple more players to the games.

-Small issues with the client that make it harder to play. The filter seems a little tough to use. I always register for the wrong game. Like the WPT qualifier sng still shows when I'm trying to filter to 6max. There isn't a way to look for hyper turbo mtts. Its also slow and unresponsive some times. It would be nice to be able to have preset tournament filters that the player sets up, and can just click them to have them show up. And be able to click multiple preset tournament filters at once to show all the games you want to register for. Also, the tournament announcement pop-ups make things difficult. I'm sure this helps bring some players to tournaments which is great, but there has to be another way other than blocking the current action on the table for 10 seconds, which makes people get behind in all their hands and even time out on some tables.

-Heads up rake. I have played a lot of $50-$100 heads ups lately. There is not many people playing and its probably because of the rake. I know you can charge what you want, but I think more people would play them if the rake wasn't so high.

That's all I can think of, hope it helps.
I agree with all of this. My one suggestion to you nowhere2be is maybe you should stop playing on that site? So the sngs are softer again for me?
01-28-2014 , 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsoxnets5
I agree with all of this. My one suggestion to you nowhere2be is maybe you should stop playing on that site? So the sngs are softer again for me?
try to get him to play more 200nl for me, I miss him at my tables
01-28-2014 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_UNOWEN
Cash lobby should be changed to show individual tables at a given stake, how many players are seated, hands/hr, avg pot size, etc. At the very least, show the individual tables and players seated. Very annoying to get seated and see only 1, or 2, players there.

Also in cash, please expose players' cards immediately when all who are in the hand are all in. Ai preflop and having to wait for the whole board to be dealt before the result is known is very tilting.
+1
01-30-2014 , 02:05 AM
Also definitely make the sunday major finish earlier, even if that means starting it earlier. I got 2nd one night at 6:30 am and then 14th the following week at 3:30 am. Kind of sucks when I'm really there to play Borgata mtts and therefore have to skip or register super late.

I would also like to see a lot more live tournament satellites onto the site. I don't know what tourneys you sponsor, but throw as many satellites you can to all sorts of buyins USA-wide from $300 to $10,000 if possible. I think most of the value in these sites for most people is just the bigger stuff, so if you could generate huge first places (such as the 5k for the borgata package, or even $400 for a $20 satellite), you might get more traffic and more rake.

Also stop being stupid and make everything normal rake. $100+9 instead of $91+9 is literally only costing you guys overlay. I'd say there are 0 people that would rather pay $100 with $9 rake instead of $109 with $9 rake to play your flagship tournament.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 01-31-2014 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Removing silly feud.
01-30-2014 , 03:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsoxnets5
While the 6 man sng traffic is not overwhelming, I think there is enough to introduce 9 man sngs and maybe even begin trying multi table sngs, at least 18 mans to start. I would love to see those being offered, given right now it is only 6 man and heads up. Someone also mentioned wanting to see heads up hypers, which I think would also be a good idea.
came in to basically post the same thing. please offer some more sng options!
01-30-2014 , 03:48 AM
Lots of good suggestions so far. I agree with everything.
01-30-2014 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isuxatpokerbad
Also definitely make the sunday major finish earlier, even if that means starting it earlier. I got 2nd one night at 6:30 am and then 14th the following week at 3:30 am. Kind of sucks when I'm really there to play Borgata mtts and therefore have to skip or register super late.

I would also like to see a lot more live tournament satellites onto the site. I don't know what tourneys you sponsor, but throw as many satellites you can to all sorts of buyins USA-wide from $300 to $10,000 if possible. I think most of the value in these sites for most people is just the bigger stuff, so if you could generate huge first places (such as the 5k for the borgata package, or even $400 for a $20 satellite), you might get more traffic and more rake.

Also stop being stupid and make everything normal rake. $100+9 instead of $91+9 is literally only costing you guys overlay. I'd say there are 0 people that would rather pay $100 with $9 rake instead of $109 with $9 rake to play your flagship tournament.
those are good points though more sattys into live events would be great, would need to partner with various WPT stops since I would imagine you won't see sattys to wsopc obviously. also there has been tons of overlay in most of their sattys with one 6k fallsview package gtd so until they are hitting that small gtd I doubt they are going to go crazy with it.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 01-31-2014 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Removing silly feud.
01-31-2014 , 11:16 PM
Sunday needs alot more tournaments. Its the biggest day for every site and partys schedule is really weak. Right now it is loaded with hyper sattelites to ensure the 50k hits the guarantee.

https://nj.partypoker.com/whats-goin...ay-majors.html

https://nj.partypoker.com/whats-goin...ty-majors.html

All tourneys listed here have been "coming soon" since november. Time to add them and let them build up even if there is overlay in the beginning. People will start flocking once there is more than 2 tournaments worth playing and the overlay will disappear quickly.

Maybe a 30$ 3k to go along with the 100$ 10k everyday. There used to be a 10$ rebuy but its been replaced as a 20$ now. Im guessing cause there was alot of overlay always. Add the 10$ rebuy back and lower the guarantee. People will play it. But part of all this scheduling and not reaching overlays has to do with payout structure which has been addressed already in this thread.

cliffs- add more worthwhile tourneys within the 20-100$ level.

      
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