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Old 12-22-2014, 01:35 PM   #1
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Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

My proposition regarding gender equality through the use of language on party poker is rather simple & basic. I will neither try to sound fully educated on this topic, nor will I make an effort to speak of what I do not know of.

When a particular player desires to use their time bank, why do I feel I'm being condition to assume that my opponent is a male?

I will inquire to ask why does party poker in their context write...

Player: Judy smith will be using "his" time bank for this hand.

I have friends & family members who play on party poker & they are female. Are they activists in the field of linguistics & it's relevance to party poker? I believe not. Nevertheless, after reading the context by clicking the "time bank" option, I'm willing to propose many females who do play on party poker have developed similar notions for which I'm discussing.

My efforts are not to revolutionize any aspect of party poker & how they refer to their players.

I'm simply speaking of what has seemed to offend me a minor amount. When I began playing on party poker, the context simply sparked my curiosity. In time, my curiosity lead to my inquiry; which lead me to strongly propose that in every aspect of the game, & in this case linguistically, we should encompass ourselves in gender equality as much as we humanly have the power to do so.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:42 AM   #2
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

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My proposition regarding gender equality through the use of language on party poker is rather simple & basic. I will neither try to sound fully educated on this topic, nor will I make an effort to speak of what I do not know of.

When a particular player desires to use their time bank, why do I feel I'm being condition to assume that my opponent is a male?

I will inquire to ask why does party poker in their context write...

Player: Judy smith will be using "his" time bank for this hand.

I have friends & family members who play on party poker & they are female. Are they activists in the field of linguistics & it's relevance to party poker? I believe not. Nevertheless, after reading the context by clicking the "time bank" option, I'm willing to propose many females who do play on party poker have developed similar notions for which I'm discussing.

My efforts are not to revolutionize any aspect of party poker & how they refer to their players.

I'm simply speaking of what has seemed to offend me a minor amount. When I began playing on party poker, the context simply sparked my curiosity. In time, my curiosity lead to my inquiry; which lead me to strongly propose that in every aspect of the game, & in this case linguistically, we should encompass ourselves in gender equality as much as we humanly have the power to do so.
Have you inquired with them directly ?
If so, what was their response ?
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:16 AM   #3
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

I wanted to post my thoughts here first to see if others have similar notions.

I'm also wondering if perhaps a party rep will respond to this thread.

If I call, I simply think a customer service rep will think I'm looney. Also, by not calling customer service regarding geo-location issues, I may shock the rep into psychosis. I wouldn't want risk potentially turning someone kookoo over my curiosities. Come to think of it, I think I may have unintentionally done so already.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:20 AM   #4
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

Hi,

I found this a very interesting read. I would like to discuss this with our product manager and PRM team and gather a response to feedback.

Thank you for raising this - please be aware, some of the team are currently out of office for festive holidays, but please do expect some feedback in the new year.

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Old 12-24-2014, 07:41 AM   #5
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

Thank you mr. party poker rep. I'm excited to hear back from you on any potential feedback you receive from the product management team you speak of.

My curiosity came to surface when I was involved in a pot with whom I knew to be a female. I wondered if we were wondering similar notions.

Come to think of it, (as if I were actually thinking of not this the past 3 days)she was probably thinking about poker while I was worrying if she was worried about the context in which she was being called a "he".

Thank you & happy holidays.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:47 AM   #6
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Oh I'm sorry sorry. "Ms" party rep. See I already had a preconceived notion to use mr. Then I saw your name at the bottom. I'm sorry Colette. We see it's everywhere & we're all to fault in one fashion or another.

Sincerely, Vercetti
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Old 12-26-2014, 11:23 PM   #7
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

i mean, it should obviously just say "Player X is using their time bank"...

but in reality, this should be like problem number 247 to be corrected on the list of "things wrong with party's software that need constant attention"

problems such as bounties being incorrectly awarded, software constantly crashing, etc. are much more important as they are actually costing people money.
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Old 12-27-2014, 06:42 AM   #8
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

Puke at this thread
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Old 12-27-2014, 08:02 AM   #9
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I agree what has sparked my curiosity is not of the majorities primary concern. Nevertheless, females do occupy a percentage of the playing feeling. Consequently, the issue that I have brought to the surface must be acknowledge.

Furthermore, my concern goes further than those of software concerns. My inquiries deal with real life concerns. A number of woman most likely have read the context & simply wrote the word usage off as just another term that linguistically shows how we today still view woman in the world of poker.

Somebody needed to bring this misuse of the English language to the surface. We are approaching the new year & I sincerely find the choosing of the context utterly preposterous & a backward approach toward gender equality in poker.

I may not get many ears to take me seriously simply b/c the vast majority of participants on this forum are here for fast U.S. $ & not in search for a better truth & more formidable playing atmosphere for both woman & men equally.

In short: whomever decided on using the context....;

Judy smith will be using "his" time bank for this hand....,

was stuck in his seemingly backward ways & wasn't seeing the forest for the tress as they say.
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:05 AM   #10
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waitlists on cash games is def more important
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Old 01-16-2015, 01:01 PM   #11
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waitlists on cash games is def more important
I def agree with gender equality, but I most point out that the response Euph0ria makes is hiliarious. Look at this way, working on the cash game waiting list is unbias towards either gender, and helps both. hahha hilarious.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:58 AM   #12
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waitlists on cash games is def more important
pretty sure the waitlist is intentionally disabled, there is a waitlist in the party software
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Old 01-17-2015, 10:10 AM   #13
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

While on the subject of disabled functions, why in the world is observer chat off? I liked being able to do that on other sites.
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Old 01-18-2015, 12:35 AM   #14
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Wo wo now wait a minute. This ain't some random suggestions thread. This is the real deal playas. I'm mortified here I tell ya. No no "while were on the subject garbage."

I've been sitting on this forum for weeks waiting for a response to my concerns. I finally saw my thread in bold a few moments ago & I felt like a little school boy again on Christmas morning.

What a jip. I received socks & coal for my responses. I'm getting hosed here on this issue.

I find this entire travesty of a situation laughable at this point, considering how psyched I was when Colette responded so swiftly & even said how interested she was in my inquiry. It's now 17 days past the new year, & I've received 0 response to feedback.

Who knows, maybe after the GSSS, I'll receive more feedback. Until then, I shall continue to stare at this post & ponder over nothing else consisted on this universe.

For treating woman as ghostly figures & second to males on internet poker is this universe's irrefutable primary concern. Consequently, without rectifying this atrocious use of the English language in internet poker, I fear for all of mankind; for if the wrong female has to use "her" time bank, & she sees the socially backward context , all of hell may break lose .

I have one female in mind that I know who plays on this site; & every time she uses "her" time bank , I intentionally & immediately start chatting words or numbers at a rapid pace in order for Party Pokers' poor choice of content to disappear under -neath the chat box.

I've devoted my life to sitting by these forums in hopes of a sincere response from someone out there who sees & feels what i do. Also, and of greater concern, I keep my computer logged onto party poker 24/7 & never leave it's side. I keep the volume on full blasty mode. When I here the terrible disturbing friend"ding" telling me she has logged on, I swiftly go into save the universe mode & stealthy maneuver myself onto all her tables; & I await the moment she goes into the tank & must use "HER" time bank so I can spring into action & type chat away in order to save all 7 billion of us.
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Old 01-18-2015, 12:44 AM   #15
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

Best response ever! Why aren't we more focused on gender equality?
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Old 01-18-2015, 12:49 AM   #16
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I think It's safe to say I just blew any chances of Colette taking me seriously.

I sh-it the bed again. I don't know when to stop once my mind starts to wander. I think I need a bed.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:19 AM   #17
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Sorry, maybe in a year or so the industry will have progressed, and we can all say you were onto something before they acknowledged your point. The struggle continues...
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Old 01-19-2015, 06:17 AM   #18
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Re: Gender equality in poker is always salient & relevant

Hi

I am aware of this thread and my lack of response

I have sent your comments to the tech team and out PRM for review - I will again raise this and ask for a response

Due to other issues we are currently experiencing this has not had priority

Sorry you are disappointed with my actions so far however, the team need to focus on issues which are top priority for the time being

Kind regards,

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Old 01-19-2015, 01:16 PM   #19
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you can change it to glytterpyss is using "her" timebank from now on and no one will give the slightest ****.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:37 PM   #20
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If you are so concerned with the words in the chat box making women uncomfortable... might be better to focus on something less trivial you can actually change... like stop trying to flirt with them.
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Old 01-20-2015, 06:32 AM   #21
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I don't care about the site freezing on me & crashing every night, even in the 5k heads up guaranteed that blew the game for me. I don't mind no waiting lists for cash games.

I simply care about solely one issue. Poker isn't a "man's game" as it's been referred as such historically. Today isn't history. Thus, to have such content in the chat box is an utterly backward approach in the way we should view the game today.

If anyone thinks poker is "a mans game" , then please share your ideas & positions with me. I have no problem agreeing to disagree on the issue.

For anyone that thinks this issue is "trivial", as stated by microballer, please expand on your notion & tell me why?

Why is this issue trivial? Why is it not an issue that should be bumped to the front of the line?

Nj partypoker explicitly refers to every single one of there players as men.

I love the site. Nj partypoker is how I spend my free time. I enjoy calling customer service b/c they're very helpful & friendly & I enjoy everything the site has to offer. Conversely, my only issue is regarding how the site refers to all of there players.

I just want what's right.


Again, thank you Colette for showing interest. I hope to hear from you soon.
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Old 01-20-2015, 07:09 PM   #22
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I don't care about the site freezing on me & crashing every night, even in the 5k heads up guaranteed that blew the game for me. I don't mind no waiting lists for cash games.

I simply care about solely one issue. Poker isn't a "man's game" as it's been referred as such historically. Today isn't history. Thus, to have such content in the chat box is an utterly backward approach in the way we should view the game today.

If anyone thinks poker is "a mans game" , then please share your ideas & positions with me. I have no problem agreeing to disagree on the issue.

For anyone that thinks this issue is "trivial", as stated by microballer, please expand on your notion & tell me why?

Why is this issue trivial? Why is it not an issue that should be bumped to the front of the line?

Nj partypoker explicitly refers to every single one of there players as men.

I love the site. Nj partypoker is how I spend my free time. I enjoy calling customer service b/c they're very helpful & friendly & I enjoy everything the site has to offer. Conversely, my only issue is regarding how the site refers to all of there players.

I just want what's right.


Again, thank you Colette for showing interest. I hope to hear from you soon.
quite simply: it's not necessarily trivial, but it's trivial in comparison to other issues such as the site crashing, bounties being awarded incorrectly, etc. which are actually costing people money.

the issue that you've brought up doesn't cost anyone a penny and most likely goes unnoticed by a vast majority of players because they aren't even looking at the chat box half the time

should it be changed? yes, of course...but it should certainly not take precedence over any issue that costs someone actual money
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:35 AM   #23
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I'm under the impression we can agree on at least one thing. Almost all of us are on this site b/c we enjoy playing poker on the internet & in the confines of our very own personal space.

Through expected human error technologically, our enjoyment is threatened.
Arguably, this is the internet & human intelligence, thus mistakes are "expected". Nevertheless, when situations like such arise, our enjoyment is altered into disappointment; which can only be understood.

Furthermore, when particular situations arise that admonish a certain personalities enjoyment that are NOT to be expected, the feeling of disappointment grows to feel foreign & highly more intensifying.
For example, when woman are viewed as mere ghostly images through a linguistic nature by someone or group behind the scenes of the "people" friendly site.

Why do I continue to feel that poker is still catering to the male gender? Again, that feeling may be driven by what I continue to read 3 to 4 times per week in the chat box of party poker.

Sometimes feeling negatively perplexed due to human socially backward decision making may indeed take "precedence" (gags) over basic human technological error.

None of us enjoy our enjoyment posing any threats to altercation.

The way in which our fun is threatened comes in many forms. Which form takes "precedence" over another is a subjective point of view.
Thus, impossible to argue to the point of fact.
Consequently through a much larger scope, I will not rest anytime anyone feels at liberty to tell me that any problem in any aspect of life is more important than another.
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:57 AM   #24
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No. Seriously. Stop trying to flirt with women at the table. It's creepy way worse than some software using a masculine pronoun.

P.S. This thread isn't going to help get you laid either.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:46 AM   #25
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Microballer. That chat box is an extraordinarily encouraging tool for those of us that enjoy revealing our emotional state of being. In fact, the chat box is our only way of expressing the human side of us outside of the competitive nature of the game. A substantial portion of the fun is encompassed within the chat box for many of us. Suffice to say that's why a subject similar to myself would find party pokers choice of words so off putting, considering it's written in my favorite box. The box is supposed to be for fun.
I know party poker encourages their players to use the box. Ironically, their choice of words located in the box could only discourage someone from using the box. I tell ya, every time I read the gender bias innuendo written by party poker, I have to take a breather & take a moment to regain my composure before I can get back out there in the grindies. Thus, if anyone says my issue is not costing anyone $ & therefore my issue needs to take a back seat, they are justly mistaken. I have not cleared 1% of one bonus yet b/c of all the emotional breathers I've needed to take. I don't know how many thousands of people are on this site but I'm sure I'm not the only one. The others or other (I hope others , but I'll take just other if I must) are most likely too emotionally torn to even get out of bed anymore by reading party Pokies poor redundant box verbiage. Thus, I am their voice. I must carry the load for all of us. I hope just not two of us, but I'll take it.
Microballies, as long as that box is a privilege of mine, I'm going to use the box, not abuse the box. I would never get out of line in the box. I've always stayed with the unwritten etiquette imaginary boundaries of the box. In life, I tend to test the waters of the limits beyond the boundaries (if that makes sense), but never have I ever (I hate that drinking game) & how dare you microballies accuse me of crossing the moral etiquette boundaries of my favorite box in the entire world. Sometimes I wonder who taught you such nerves of steal. You little rascal.
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