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01-21-2015 , 07:09 AM
Microballie one more thing. This Sunday I plan on playing in the mega satellites for the gssssssss entries & losing. I also plan to use my party rake back rip off points scheme to play in the gssssssss tournaments & losing. I also plan to play anywhere from 2nl to 400nl & probably losing. So if you want to find me & we can settle the score inside the box, I'm ready; because my rings not on the felt. It's inside the box.
01-21-2015 , 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti81
Microballie one more thing. This Sunday I plan on playing in the mega satellites for the gssssssss entries & losing. I also plan to use my party rake back rip off points scheme to play in the gssssssss tournaments & losing. I also plan to play anywhere from 2nl to 400nl & probably losing. So if you want to find me & we can settle the score inside the box, I'm ready; because my rings not on the felt. It's inside the box.
Uhm? Did you just challenge me to GSS satellites for rollz?
01-21-2015 , 06:55 PM
I challenge only those who question my integrity inside the chat box. I love the chat box as I stated earlier.

My poker game is a complete roller coaster & I need to go to chill out camp.

The same can not be said for my skill pill inside the chat box. My box game is uncanny & your attacking judgments of my behavior inside the box is crossing the lines of the boundary waters as my thoughts meander like a restless wind inside the party poker chat box. They tumble blindly as they make their way "across the universe"
01-21-2015 , 10:05 PM
You have typed a lot of words in this thread since I first posted. None of them denying the inappropriate flirting.

What you don't seem to realize is that different people have different views and typing the most doesn't make your view any more important than others.

While you may think that changing a word in an automated chat may help women feel more comfortable playing on the site than say, I don't know, some random dude perving on them... that's your opinion.

I think the majority of us would rather the developers focus their attention on some of the problems that are actually costing us money instead of worrying about your white knight routine.
01-22-2015 , 04:11 AM
Microballie, you have the power & ability to express yourself verbally in any fashions you'd like. This country has given us this magnificent gift. If you feel necessary to attack & judge my character, then please do so.

I enjoy any forms of dialogue other humans may like to engage with me. I'm on this forum for fun & I'm on party poker for fun. The chances of me allowing another's judgmental verbal threats toward me ruin the fun for me is an indefinite Impossibility.

On a serious note (b/c I can see that's the side your begging to pry out of me)...If my fun posses any threat to ruin, theirs solely only one enemy that holds such power against me. I'm sorry microballer but you are not my enemy. Thus, you don't hold such power to pose any threat to the entertainment I absorb from playing on party poker & speak on this forum.

I'm new to this forum & I enjoy being a part of this microcosm of society. I am cognizant that I am going to cross paths with many personalities & walks of life. I enjoy delving into such endeavors & understand that certain subjects will feel at liberty to challenge, attack, & judge others. I'm neither here to challenge another's intellect, nor am I here to judge or attack their personality by taking personal shots at them & accuse them of having a classless personality.
Furthermore, if such verbal attacks & judgements are directed at me, I will not give the attacking subject the satisfaction of developing a response in defense of my personality.

The sole subject I am forced to be brave against is the one that can not overcome his desires. The hardest victory for me is the victory over me.
01-22-2015 , 06:07 AM
I am not on a crusade to revolutionize the way party poker refers to their players.

I said so in my original post.

Nevertheless, while I'm on my little journey toward a more linguistically unbiased approach from party poker, I'm fully aware my little road to my little victory will not be smooth by any stretch whatsoever.

I, understandably, will & must exercise a patient nature in waiting for a response from Colette , which may cause the road to be slow , long & windy.
Also, I will encounter many subjects along my little road that will feel necessary to make efforts to sabotage my little journey do to their own malicious selfish intentions, such as microballer.
Also, the slower the issues are to solve that are placed in front of my issue, the longer & windier my road to my little victory will become.

With all that being said, I've gotten myself into this mess of an issue, but this issue means to much to me & I've come too far to turn back. Therefore, for anyone that may wish to cause destruction to the road in which my journey is on to my little victory, I must naturally defend my self & my position I stand for & stand by.
I also must note that their have been others who have made my road feel shorter & smoother.

For example , Mr. Hip Ain't Cheap said he felt I was on to something, but the struggle for all of our issues continues. He may have been expressing himself freely by saying such & may not have thought much of his words. I on the other hand was genuinely moved by his choice of words & believe it or not, those words sincerely warmed my thoughts & further inspired me to carry on my little journey.
01-23-2015 , 08:58 AM
Vercetti, I am a female playing poker longer than most here have lived. It's a man's world. Not only are all players referred to as male, but male players are allowed great latitude. I have seen them call women all sorts of names....c____, etc. There are many, many problems with the Party Poker site, but Borgata and others are not much better.
I scream when the sites crash, when I get kicked off and so on. For sure, these things need serious attention.
Changing the system to "player Vercetti will use the clock," seems a simple, easy and quick fix. Why aren't players who degrade and curse at women not blocked from using the site for a time. The other day a player threatened a player and family! That player should be banned.
Party Poker is still in the dark ages in many ways. Vercetti, your point is well-taken. In my experience, it is rare for male poker players to see so clearly as to gender issues.
01-23-2015 , 08:32 PM
After I read what my poker piers inquire on this thread, I'm usually determined to brainstorm my ideas & develop my response as my thoughts enter my mind. My responses tend to be rather lengthy & even rather redundant at times.

Regarding my response to ms. Nora,
A lengthy thought out response I feel need not apply.

I can only say, Thank You Nora. Thank you.
01-25-2015 , 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti81
Microballer. That chat box is an extraordinarily encouraging tool for those of us that enjoy revealing our emotional state of being. In fact, the chat box is our only way of expressing the human side of us outside of the competitive nature of the game. A substantial portion of the fun is encompassed within the chat box for many of us. Suffice to say that's why a subject similar to myself would find party pokers choice of words so off putting, considering it's written in my favorite box. The box is supposed to be for fun.
I know party poker encourages their players to use the box. Ironically, their choice of words located in the box could only discourage someone from using the box. I tell ya, every time I read the gender bias innuendo written by party poker, I have to take a breather & take a moment to regain my composure before I can get back out there in the grindies. Thus, if anyone says my issue is not costing anyone $ & therefore my issue needs to take a back seat, they are justly mistaken. I have not cleared 1% of one bonus yet b/c of all the emotional breathers I've needed to take. I don't know how many thousands of people are on this site but I'm sure I'm not the only one. The others or other (I hope others , but I'll take just other if I must) are most likely too emotionally torn to even get out of bed anymore by reading party Pokies poor redundant box verbiage. Thus, I am their voice. I must carry the load for all of us. I hope just not two of us, but I'll take it.
Microballies, as long as that box is a privilege of mine, I'm going to use the box, not abuse the box. I would never get out of line in the box. I've always stayed with the unwritten etiquette imaginary boundaries of the box. In life, I tend to test the waters of the limits beyond the boundaries (if that makes sense), but never have I ever (I hate that drinking game) & how dare you microballies accuse me of crossing the moral etiquette boundaries of my favorite box in the entire world. Sometimes I wonder who taught you such nerves of steal. You little rascal.

Is this post a joke?


EDIT:

Just skimmed thread. I guess all of his/her posts have a decent chance of being a joke.

Last edited by Lego05; 01-25-2015 at 10:03 PM.
01-25-2015 , 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noraTRD
Vercetti, I am a female playing poker longer than most here have lived. It's a man's world. Not only are all players referred to as male, but male players are allowed great latitude. I have seen them call women all sorts of names....c____, etc. There are many, many problems with the Party Poker site, but Borgata and others are not much better.
I scream when the sites crash, when I get kicked off and so on. For sure, these things need serious attention.
Changing the system to "player Vercetti will use the clock," seems a simple, easy and quick fix. Why aren't players who degrade and curse at women not blocked from using the site for a time. The other day a player threatened a player and family! That player should be banned.
Party Poker is still in the dark ages in many ways. Vercetti, your point is well-taken. In my experience, it is rare for male poker players to see so clearly as to gender issues.

I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.

Last edited by Lego05; 01-25-2015 at 10:27 PM. Reason: misspelled "typing" - it was a typo
01-25-2015 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met tying mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.
Sir,

I must disagree, words hurt! Words can be powerful and set people over the edge. We must respect nature's flow and not go against it with hate. Woman are beautiful creatures that should be put treated for what they are, divine. I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post. If so you have the right to your opinion, but just don't dance around the bush. I love woman, so I choose to respect them, especially while playing poker. Thank you for your time.
01-26-2015 , 06:27 AM
I genuinely feel the pain for kind-hearted people out there who simply want to sit down , relax & play poker for fun, & get blind-sided by such terrible verbal behavior by some of the players.

I've witnessed all of Lego's examples.

Lego seems to have spoken objectively regarding the potential pain those words can inflict on a particular person.

Emotionally, our make-up is of infinite forms. Thus, depending on how we are wired, is relative to how we will be affected by such harmful verbal innuendo. Therefore, we must treat this issue through a subjective scope.

Furthermore, I'm not on a crusade to cognitively revolutionize the way in which humans treat each other linguistically.

Historically, many thinkers have shaped & altered the way we conceptualize information & respond thereafter. Nevertheless, I propose neither a human, nor evolution will rid us of the dark, egocentric, narrow minded narcissistic chemically made up personality.

Will changing the way in which party poker refers to their players in the same chat box we are referring to completely cure the deep underling dilemma we are faced with & discussing? No, most likely not. Nevertheless.......

I whole heartedly contend we must start from the source. The source here is party poker.

If party poker makes a small change in how they treat their players linguistically, then perhaps the players will subconsciously change how they verbally treat one another.

Simply, when referring to both woman & men, the pronoun "his" no longer flies.
01-28-2015 , 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
Sir,

I must disagree, words hurt! Words can be powerful and set people over the edge. We must respect nature's flow and not go against it with hate. Woman are beautiful creatures that should be put treated for what they are, divine. I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post. If so you have the right to your opinion, but just don't dance around the bush. I love woman, so I choose to respect them, especially while playing poker. Thank you for your time.

I added the bold above.

I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to wonder that from my post. My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.
01-28-2015 , 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I added the bold above.

I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to wonder that from my post. My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.
If gymnastics are in relation to physical fitness and exercise, which we can all agree is a good thing and health to do, then I suppose mental gymnastics can be a healthy practice to help improve my thinking....Thank you for the correlation.

I also understand your post perfectly. God Speed.
01-28-2015 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
Sir,

I must disagree, words hurt! Words can be powerful and set people over the edge. We must respect nature's flow and not go against it with hate. Woman are beautiful creatures that should be put treated for what they are, divine. I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post. If so you have the right to your opinion, but just don't dance around the bush. I love woman, so I choose to respect them, especially while playing poker. Thank you for your time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I added the bold above.

I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to wonder that from my post. My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
If gymnastics are in relation to physical fitness and exercise, which we can all agree is a good thing and health to do, then I suppose mental gymnastics can be a healthy practice to help improve my thinking....Thank you for the correlation.

I also understand your post perfectly. God Speed.

Quote:
Definitions

from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License

n. Difficult and complex logical thought processes.

n. Inventive, complex arguments used to justify unjustifiable decisions, or situations.
I added the bold to show which definition I was using.


Definition is from here:

https://www.wordnik.com/words/mental%20gymnastics
01-28-2015 , 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I added the bold to show which definition I was using.


Definition is from here:

https://www.wordnik.com/words/mental%20gymnastics
So you saying what I am saying is unjustifiable? And was that definition of mental gymnastics?

If so please state how what I am saying is unjustifiable because I am truly lost when you say that.
01-28-2015 , 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
Sir,

I must disagree, words hurt! Words can be powerful and set people over the edge. We must respect nature's flow and not go against it with hate. Woman are beautiful creatures that should be put treated for what they are, divine. I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post. If so you have the right to your opinion, but just don't dance around the bush. I love woman, so I choose to respect them, especially while playing poker. Thank you for your time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti81
I genuinely feel the pain for kind-hearted people out there who simply want to sit down , relax & play poker for fun, & get blind-sided by such terrible verbal behavior by some of the players.

I've witnessed all of Lego's examples.

Lego seems to have spoken objectively regarding the potential pain those words can inflict on a particular person.

Emotionally, our make-up is of infinite forms. Thus, depending on how we are wired, is relative to how we will be affected by such harmful verbal innuendo. Therefore, we must treat this issue through a subjective scope.

Furthermore, I'm not on a crusade to cognitively revolutionize the way in which humans treat each other linguistically.

Historically, many thinkers have shaped & altered the way we conceptualize information & respond thereafter. Nevertheless, I propose neither a human, nor evolution will rid us of the dark, egocentric, narrow minded narcissistic chemically made up personality.

Will changing the way in which party poker refers to their players in the same chat box we are referring to completely cure the deep underling dilemma we are faced with & discussing? No, most likely not. Nevertheless.......

I whole heartedly contend we must start from the source. The source here is party poker.

If party poker makes a small change in how they treat their players linguistically, then perhaps the players will subconsciously change how they verbally treat one another.

Simply, when referring to both woman & men, the pronoun "his" no longer flies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I added the bold above.

I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to wonder that from my post. My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
If gymnastics are in relation to physical fitness and exercise, which we can all agree is a good thing and health to do, then I suppose mental gymnastics can be a healthy practice to help improve my thinking....Thank you for the correlation.

I also understand your post perfectly. God Speed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I added the bold to show which definition I was using.


Definition is from here:

https://www.wordnik.com/words/mental%20gymnastics
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
So you saying what I am saying is unjustifiable? And was that definition of mental gymnastics?

If so please state how what I am saying is unjustifiable because I am truly lost when you say that.




This:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post.
based upon this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.

is unjustifiable because:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.

Go ahead and take a shot at justifying it.
01-28-2015 , 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
This:



based upon this:




is unjustifiable because:





Go ahead and take a shot at justifying it.
My post grad degree is in Logic/Philosophy...I don't think we should do that in this thread. PM me and we can do this.
01-28-2015 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
My post grad degree is in Logic/Philosophy...I don't think we should do that in this thread. PM me and we can do this.
No.
01-28-2015 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
No.
Ok I'll do it here since, we need to establish a foundation for this argument with the same terms and understanding of the terms otherwise it's not a debate, and it's an argument. Secondly are you saying all my points are invalid or just specific, if specific please list each one and why. Try to use facts and not opinion because if its opinion which most of this thread is no one can actually be wrong because it's based of their belief system. Thanks.
01-28-2015 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
Ok I'll do it here since, we need to establish a foundation for this argument with the same terms and understanding of the terms otherwise it's not a debate, and it's an argument. Secondly are you saying all my points are invalid or just specific, if specific please list each one and why. Try to use facts and not opinion because if its opinion which most of this thread is no one can actually be wrong because it's based of their belief system. Thanks.



This:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
I am wondering if you are against women's rights and equality after reading your post.
based upon this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I get told to die probably around 20% of the days that I play online poker (often by specific methods - grease fire, cancer, aids seem to be pretty popular). I also have it wished that my mom gets raped or my children die (I don't have any children). I have been told that my wife is a whore. I have ethnic slurs hurled at me though I am often not a member of such ethnicity.

If you report the chat, a lot of sites will ban the offender's chat. I have never reported it because who cares. It is just someone whom I have never met typing mean words at me, many of which aren't even applicable to me.





P.S.

Though, a lot of the times it is this one person doing this talking. Every time he plays,, he eventually goes off on most people at the table.

is unjustifiable because:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
My post described some experiences that I have had with respect to people saying mean things to me in chat on online poker sites and briefly summarized some of my reaction (non-action I guess) and feelings regarding such experiences. It also informed the person to whom I was responding that if offensive chat is reported to the poker site, most sites will ban the offender's chat. There is nothing else in the post.
...
01-28-2015 , 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
This:



based upon this:




is unjustifiable because:




...
This is confusing? When I said I understood what you are saying, you answered my question about whether or not you were against woman rights. I wasn't saying you are, and I understand what you are saying because your post provided clarity. So what are you saying is unjustifiable?

Also what word did you define before? Mental gymnastics? How is explaining my though process and belief system mental gymnastics in the negative way you defined it? If anything its a logic explanation according to my belief system. Just because you don't agree with how I express it, what is said, or if you disagree that it is mental gymnastics doesn't make you right or factual. It's easier to claim blasphemy than actually explain how it's blasphemy. Thought out logical expression takes much thought and energy that some are unable to produce.
01-28-2015 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
This is confusing? When I said I understood what you are saying, you answered my question about whether or not you were against woman rights. I wasn't saying you are, and I understand what you are saying because your post provided clarity. So what are you saying is unjustifiable?

Also what word did you define before? Mental gymnastics? How is explaining my though process and belief system mental gymnastics in the negative way you defined it? If anything its a logic explanation according to my belief system. Just because you don't agree with how I express it, what is said, or if you disagree that it is mental gymnastics doesn't make you right or factual. It's easier to claim blasphemy than actually explain how it's blasphemy. Thought out logical expression takes much thought and energy that some are unable to produce.

I don't know if you really don't understand our exchange or are pretending.
01-28-2015 , 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
I don't know if you really don't understand our exchange or are pretending.
I am serious thats why I said PM me. I think there is no disagreement here, you answered my question, but thought I was saying you are against woman rights?

Then I think you saying I am using mental gymnastics is incorrect use of definition.
01-28-2015 , 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
When I said I understood what you are saying, you answered my question about whether or not you were against woman rights.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HipAintCheap
you answered my question

I don't recall you asking me this question and I don't recall answering it.



But I think I'm pretty much done with this and I think we can let it lie as it is.

      
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