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Old 12-22-2013, 02:50 AM   #1
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Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

Hello, my screen name is 'Money Beets' on Ultimate Poker.

Until now, my experience on Ultimate has been excellent. After playing on various international sites, Ultimate was a haven of convenience and reliability; I was excited to finally play on a poker site that seemed trustworthy.

That excitement is gone.

On December 18th, sponsored Ultimate pro William Reynolds AKA ReynoldsXO advised another player in chat not to play me heads-up. That player sat out, and, having no one else to play, I sat ReynoldsXO.

He proceeded to repeatedly sit in and out, only playing when he drew the button, and then immediately sitting out again. The end result was that he played the button every hand, leaving me to only play the big blind each hand. He even went so far as to tell me in chat "I only play buttons vs u headsup".

Normally, I would say this is just part of starting tables; people often angleshoot and get out of line in chat. However, for a sponsored player to do this is completely different, sending the message that not only is this conduct acceptable, but encouraged.

I am perturbed that Ultimate is willing to pay its sponsored players to abuse software exploits and I hope this issue is addressed.
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Old 12-22-2013, 05:47 AM   #2
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

That is shady and you should be compensated regardless of how your outcome was. That player should have his sponsorship revoked because it obviously is sending a horrible message.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:20 AM   #3
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Wow, that's crazy. That's wrong for anyone............sponsored pro or not.
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Old 12-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #4
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He proceeded to repeatedly sit in and out, only playing when he drew the button, and then immediately sitting out again. The end result was that he played the button every hand, leaving me to only play the big blind each hand. He even went so far as to tell me in chat "I only play buttons vs u headsup".

Why did you repeatedly keep posting your blind, even after he went as far to tell you in chat he would only play button vs you?

Was it so you could make this thread and ruin him?
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Old 12-22-2013, 02:32 PM   #5
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

Hopefully UP will finally update their software to fix this. You have to go through stuff like this all the time to even get games started (esp at the 6max tables), so I can understand your frustration OP.

I hope you continue to play on UP MoneyBeets, I play smaller limits but enjoy railing you in the bigger games. GL.
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Old 12-22-2013, 02:50 PM   #6
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

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Why did you repeatedly keep posting your blind, even after he went as far to tell you in chat he would only play button vs you?

Was it so you could make this thread and ruin him?
Anyone who does that deserves to be ruined, especially a sponsored pro.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:02 PM   #7
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

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Why did you repeatedly keep posting your blind, even after he went as far to tell you in chat he would only play button vs you?

Was it so you could make this thread and ruin him?
Just to correct any misconceptions, I only posted a few times in a row before I sat out, there wasn't any big session. I wanted to play and get games running, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as he outright said he'd only play the button I sat out.

The monetary amount isn't large, and I'm not looking for compensation. It just upset me to see a sponsored player act like this, and I wanted people to know.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:15 PM   #8
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Anyone who does that deserves to be ruined, especially a sponsored pro.
+1

I really find this story hard to believe... not that I'm doubting OP's story. But I find it hard to believe a sponsored player would do this... and even more amazed that he'd openly admit to it.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:39 PM   #9
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I really find this story hard to believe... not that I'm doubting OP's story. But I find it hard to believe a sponsored player would do this... and even more amazed that he'd openly admit to it.
Not the first time a sponsored pro has done something that would not be considered proper.
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:43 PM   #10
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

While we're on the subject...do these sponsored pros nobody has heard of really bring traffic to the site? Esfandiari, Daniel, Ivey, Isildur, etc. I can understand but these D level pros...
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:28 PM   #11
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

I have played heads up against him and never saw anything other than honest play. I really don't believe any of the accusations that you have made against him.
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:39 PM   #12
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

Not that its really necessary for me to post this but "money beets" has always been a class act, i highly doubt he is making this up.
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:47 PM   #13
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I have played heads up against him and never saw anything other than honest play. I really don't believe any of the accusations that you have made against him.
I have video of it. I record my sessions.

It has personal information onscreen, so I'd prefer not to post it publicly, but I'd be fine with a mod looking at it to confirm.
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:56 PM   #14
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

It is the software that is making this angle shoot possible. And it is the software that needs to be fixed to eliminate this angle shoot. Come on UP, this fix should have already been in one of the update !!!

I was playing someone heads up and thought they were having disconnection problems before I quickly caught on they were trying to angle shoot button me. Angle shooters gonna angle shoot. That is why it is critical that the software is angle shoot free.
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Old 12-22-2013, 10:18 PM   #15
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

Please email the video to me - syeates@UltimateGaming.com
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:06 AM   #16
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

Hello,

This is William Reynolds.

If you have played on Ultimate Poker you have probably seen me play under "ReynoldsXO"

Money Beets and I have been playing on Ultimate Poker for 4-5months 3-5days a week. We have played heads up on many occasions to start games over this time period. Nearly all of our volume has been 2/4-5/10.

Earlier this week I was playing someone heads up and got beat up for 2kish at 2/4. Money Beets sat in the game to make it 3 handed. I sat out of the game within an orbit or two deeming the session hopeless. This chat began after I sat out


ReynoldsXO: stuey

ReynoldsXO: ur an idiot

ReynoldsXO: dont lose ur money to money beets

Stuey Stinks: ty

Stuey Stinks: ok

Money Beets: I can't believe they pay you for this reynolds

I left the table immediately and began closing my tables to go to lunch when Money Beets began sitting tables with me. I left all games he sat with me except a 1/2 full ring 50bb max.

I sat in and money beets got the button. I sat out. I sat in and got the button and moved all in for $100 w 8x off. Money Beets folded and I sat out.

I sat in and Money Beets drew the button again. I sat out. I sat in and got button. I moved all in w J8? off suite. Money Beets folded and I sat out. I showed my hands both times after he folded.

ReynoldsXO: i only play buttons vs u heads up

Money Beets: so you're admiting you angle shoot?

Money Beets: as a paid pro

Money Beets: lol

ReynoldsXO: you can play me heads up if u want

ReynoldsXO: but i only play buttons

ReynoldsXO: my buttons

ReynoldsXO: my buttons

ReynoldsXO: my shiny shiny buttons

Money Beets: new new hieghts

Money Beets: hope you're proud

ReynoldsXO: relaxxx

ReynoldsXO: take it ezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Money Beets: is that a joke, you just killed my action with another player, and abuse the system to cheat at HU

Money Beets: nice try cheater

At this point it was clear Money Beets was not amused with what just happened so I sat in and got the button. I sat out. I sat in and got the big blind and was dealt Q6o. Money Beets min raised and I folded. I sat out.

ReynoldsXO: i ony play heads up out of position

I sat in and got the button. I sat out. I sat in and got the big blind and Money Beets proceeded to sit out on the button.

Money Beets: not doing this over and over, hope my 2$ was worth it

ReynoldsXO: u no want shiny button ?

Money Beets: no, I want you, a paid pro of the site, to stop angle shooting and ruining acion

Money Beets: you wouldn't think it would be that hard, but I guess that's too much to ask

ReynoldsXO: ooo000ooo

ReynoldsXO: u no likey $2 looks at cally all in

ReynoldsXO: that good action

Money Beets: I don't care, I care about you telling people not to play me, and abusing the button draw

ReynoldsXO: u got the EV when it came to the button

ReynoldsXO: gave u 2 looks

ReynoldsXO: and tried to give buttons back

ReynoldsXO: u got 1 back

ReynoldsXO: denied the other

Money Beets: not the point, yyou are a site pro, and this isn't even close to an appropriate standard of conduct

ReynoldsXO: please forgive me money beets

Money Beets: can't unring a bell

ReynoldsXO: lol

All said and done Money Beets and I played 3 hands of 1/2 $100max heads up. 2 of which I won after obtaining the button to move all in with any two cards. The other I was big blind and folded to a min raise. I attempted to give him a second button but he declined.

Money Beets I commend you for doing what you think was right and holding me accountable. The poker community now knows that if I draw the button heads up and move all in for a 50x pot over bet jam any two will do.

Final thoughts:

I should have just asked Money Beets if he wanted to flip instead of moving all in with any 2 while allowing him to fold/call properly. This would have made it neutral EV while avoiding skeptical behavior to facilitate unnecessary gambling.

I've probably started more games via heads up at ring tables than anyone on UP. This was an isolated incident with an end result of $2 changing hands. I was not maliciously abusing the system to gain an edge. I was moving all in with 8 high.
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #17
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

lolwilliamreynoldsamants
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #18
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Killing another player's HU action might not be against the rules but is completely scummy behavior and reflects poorly on UP. Aren't sponsored pros supposed to bring action to the site, not remove action from the site?
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #19
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Just to correct any misconceptions, I only posted a few times in a row before I sat out, there wasn't any big session. I wanted to play and get games running, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as he outright said he'd only play the button I sat out.

The monetary amount isn't large, and I'm not looking for compensation. It just upset me to see a sponsored player act like this, and I wanted people to know.
You actually sat out when I said "I only play heads up out of position"
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:28 AM   #20
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You actually sat out when I said "I only play heads up out of position"
This is correct. I misspoke in my previous post. Your account of events is accurate.

Thank you for posting the chat log.

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Email sent. Thank you.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:22 AM   #21
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

The killing of the action is even worse than the button thing.......which seems like it was kind of an all-in joke fest. I'm pretty shocked Reynolds came out and admitted everything. That conversation with Stuey Stinks is not okay. Having grown up playing pool for money..........that sort of thing gets you beat up in the real world. I guess since Reynolds is hiding behind his shiny computer, he feels it's okay.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:40 AM   #22
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

These sights need to be squeaky clean and more importantly appear to be squeaky clean given all that had gone on in the online world and given how little the number of players on this site is.

Given this incident and the negative shadow that it casts over this site, it is suggested that Mr. Reynolds resign his position on this site or perhaps even better that UP resign it for him. His attitude seems inappropriate to be a sponsored player, given the dialogue he provided. I am disappointed in him. His role as Pro is to enhance the site; not try to cripple it as his downside swings occur.
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:40 AM   #23
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hope you lose your UP deal

DoucheXO
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:20 PM   #24
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

I wonder if this should be posted in NVG?
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:13 PM   #25
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Re: Ultimate Sponsored Pro ReynoldsXO Angleshooting BN Draw

It has always been common in the Brick and Mortar poker rooms in town to allow the poker employees to "play on the clock" in order to build and maintain games. They are always held to a higher standard than the guest. I have seen situations where the poker employee gets out of line lead to suspension of playing privileges and in some cases back in the day termination.

Reynolds posting the text admitting what he had done and then somehow attempting to justify his actions is what I find troublesome. There is no justification for his actions.
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