The point is - THEY LIED.

They told us point blank that the buffer zone was established and mandated by the Commission.

According to the Commission, this statement is blatantly false.

Tell me you established the zone to be sure you were not allowing people just over the border to post wagers and I can accept that - but pass the buck to the Commission when in fact UP itself established the zone - and now I know what I need to know about this operation. They're liars. If they lied about that important fact, they'll lie about anything.

Not to mention federal laws still in place (UIGEA, 18 USC § 1955, etc).

settle down a bit

The point is that they have to protect themselves, you don't like it, and for whatever reason, you think UP is the second incarnation of the devil.

The UP guys trying to help here probably repeated what they'd been told. They're employees, not principals. It's a week old - get over yourself.

Without going back ITT to find exactly what was stated, the impression I got was that UP did indeed establish the zone to be sure they were not allowing people just over the border to post wagers. IIRC something along the lines of awareness of excluding potential barely within NV players to prevent the greater risk of including potential outside NV players.

They did not lie about this matter. It's only your misinterpretation that leads you to believe they did.

lol

It's been awhile since I have found so many people for my ignore list in a single thread.

This looks like UP is putting it on Nevada. Right from Dax himself

thanks UP, great to have legal online poker!!

Would be great to see some pot limit sit & go and tourneys added in the future!

Consider the possibility that the specs communicated to UP may be different than what is relayed to the general public, and come from a different sources @ NVGCB.

don't like UP's policies or software, simple play at another online site.

only been online a week, They are doing a great job so far, look forward to see what the future holds!

Tomorrow is the big day they launch all the daily tournaments(according to what Dax or Scotty said several days ago) Hope they have lots of $5-$20 multi's that are not turbo and have decent structure and maybe some 45 man or 90 man that go as soon as they fill up.

I think it's different simply because of the way they're currently verifying their customers location. The guy that said suggested earlier in this thread that they send out ankle bracelets was onto something Imo.

That could also be the state of Nevada telling UP, "A 1.5km buffer would guarantee not getting heat from us, but it's your business, so run it however you want."

+1
i have had the same experiences, so far so good and happy to have online poker.

Ok, whether it's UP or NV who came up with the 1.5km threshold might be a matter of semantics. One thing is clear though, players must be in NV to play. To assure this to start, a buffer appears necessary, and likely is mutually acknowledged by UP & NV. This of course is unfortunate for those within the buffer zone, not unlike those with Verizon. Got to start somewhere even if that means temporarily including exclusions.

What's the gain for UP as to who created the 1.5km buffer zone? They'd have less players this way, no? Also, consider the buffer zone a failsafe.

It's become comical to me the posters that are trying to paint Ultimate Poker in a monster image and bring it down already. Can't help but assume they're shills for another site or players that are worried about losing traffic at their American facing sites.

Keep up the good fight U.P., and you haters can get bent.

I never played a hand of poker on UB, I don't know any of the parties, etc.

Like many, I've read all of the 'official' reports of what happened. Clearly Pierson knew God Mode existed. Whether he was complicit in a crime is another matter. Pierson was never convicted of a crime, though. In America, he's presumed innocent. If his affiliation with UP makes you cringe (and I would understand if you or others said it did), don't play there.

If I was UP, I'd have probably stayed away from his org. I am but a lowly poker player/life donk, though - they didn't consult me.

I'm not sure I would have been in a hurry to pop 'Ultimate' on my masthead, either.

Just my .02.....

I think it is important to distinguish that the poster who contacted NVGCB asked about why UP had to have a 1.5 Mile buffer. UP said they had to have a 1.5 Kilometer buffer.

I don't think it is likely, but it is possible, that the law says "1.5km", so when asked/told about UP's "1.5m" buffer the NVGCB rep could have thought that this was UP's own rule being safer than the actual rule...

Thinking the 1.5 Mile buffer might be that bordering States have some sort of jurisdiction for a mile or so into Nevada?

If that were the case, NV would also have jurisdiction into that other state.

And not need any damn buffer.

I think the buffer is designed to guard against the triangulation technology's margin of error resulting in out of state play.

Ugh, rooting against you guys now. Stop using Iovation!

The buffer is probably going to be necessary. They may be able to reduce it a little in the future but it is probably always going to be an issue. However, it should be possible for people with a static IP address to get something from their ISP showing that IP address X is always connected to house Y. This might allow UP to work around the issue for some people.

WELP....IM convo just had with my friend....

x: DUDE. The most ****ed up thing just happened.
xx: deets plz
xx: thats nerd for details please
x: I went all in on a hand and walked away from my laptop. Came back and I saw it said "img" in the chat box on my behalf.
x: omg
x: I didn't type it!
xx: take a screen shot
xx: post it in 2+2
xx: email support
xx: wtf
x: I didn't even know how the hand played out until I turned back around. And when I saw my name in the box I freaked.
x: I'm going to email them
xx: take a screen shot
xx: with your phone
x: just did. thats crazy bc i usually keep the tab on stats and the sound is off. who knows what else was said on my behalf?
xx: thats so insane