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You've said that you have people working on V2 and V3, are there things in the works that will improve hands per hour? 50-60 hands per hour is dreadfully slow, normal sites right now average around 80.

Any plans for zoom poker? 100bb tables?

I understand that some of these problems we have with the software may be assurances that it passes the GCB review, showing something stable with no issues. I hope that ramping it up to the modern day is in the works.

05-04-2013 , 07:50 PM

#1777

Dax @UltimatePoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by admranger

Ask for Cindy at the spa at RR when you all get your mani/pedi's. She's a friend of my wife.

My better half loves that spa. Which is fine with me, because I'll go and degen it up at the video poker while she's getting pampered. I'll have her look for Cindy next time.

05-04-2013 , 07:52 PM

#1778

timormson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

This is right. You'll need your cell phone to withdraw.

dax, I will be coming out Thursday to show you guys how its done.
question though...am I able to have my brothers bank wire you my initial deposit or does it have to come from my bank..he is backing my trip.also,
if I start my acct. from here with my Wisconsin phone number, does that make it harder to verify my throw away phone from vegas
im thinking I may just wait ad do it all the day I get there
AND what are your thoughts on staking.
I assume its ok isnt it
.thanks, tim

05-04-2013 , 07:52 PM

#1779

Dax @UltimatePoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroPointMachine

More connection experiments:

Okay, I had my Dad sit in front of my computer so that I could take my phone to Henderson while he tried to log on from computer. I was in the Fiesta Henderson with my phone. UP login failed.......arrrg

The IP address location seems to be a red hearing but there is still something wrong involving the internet connections.

I used my laptop to go on the Fiesta Henderson wifi, UP login failed, multiple times. This astounded me. Dax, can you confirm anybody playing on Fiesta Henderson's wifi network?

I was so confused that on the way home I decided to double check my earlier results. I stopped at the McDonald's at Vegas Valley and Nellis. Where I had failed previously. UP Verification failed. I was about to go to my next stop but then noticed that there was a wifi connection for the Popeye's Chicken right next door. I decided to give it a shot. UP Verification: SUCCESS!!

My car did not move, my phone did not move, cell towers did not move, same computer. Two different wifi connections. One works and one does not! I repeated the test twice on both networks with the same results.

The Mcdonald's connection was faster in every way but would not connect. The Popeye's signal was fair at best but worked.

I don't know why. Anybody who can determine the difference between these two connections can solve this problem.

I *think* that some Station casinos are blocking our software (I'm not sure what port it's on, but I don't think it's 80 or 443).

When you were connected to Fiesta Henderson's wifi (I love that property, by the way), were you about to log in? When I was there, the software wouldn't let me connect when I was on the free wifi network.

05-04-2013 , 07:54 PM

#1780

Dax @UltimatePoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Malefiicus

100BB tables won't require improved software - but as mentioned, we're rolling out the games *very* slowly. While we always knew that this community (and myself - seriously) would want the 40-100bb games, our games manager (Scotty) is pretty happy with the volume and the stakes people are playing. I mean, rail the 3/6 game for a while.

"Games are good, please send money."

05-04-2013 , 07:55 PM

#1781

parisron

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Great, I just experienced what some have posted. I was playing 3 games and involved in one hand deeply and BOOM all games and lobby GONE. Great no disconnect protection.

05-04-2013 , 07:57 PM

#1782

timormson

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has anyone got a connection from the lv Hilton.
I might stay there

05-04-2013 , 08:03 PM

#1783

John Mehaffey

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1) Thanks Dax for your hard work on this. I know you are swamped but you are doing great.

2) I broke down and bought the Alcatel AT&T throwaway phone for $15 and a $15 card where I only had to use about $1 of it to pay for texts to get started. Sold out at all but 2 Targets on their website so I assume it suddenly became a popular product due to the FAQ. It works fine at my house near Red Rock.

3) Can LHE HUSNGs get added?

4) If at all possible, get on Red Rock about the number of cashiers at peak hours. There were two non VIP/chips last night at 10pm and there were 20-25 people in line, many of which wanting to deposit into UP, the rest were cashing paychecks which take a long time. UP players were waiting 20-30 minutes to deposit while 6 cashier windows were closed on a Friday night.

05-04-2013 , 08:13 PM

#1784

timormson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

Whew, lot of questions. I'll do my best.

We use iovation to look up a given player's "fraud score". They don't have any access to our hands, our database, our office, our software or sensitive information. The relationship is distant at best.

"They" are the Nevada Gaming Control Board. They have an entire division (Audit: http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=45) who have requirements for reports and process review. We both provide them with reports in various formats (such as a "table session" report that has line items for every single bet/fold/raise and the pots awarded, bets returned, rake taken for as long as that table exists - it's several hundred pages) and access to our systems to review those reports directly.

After the field trial, we have the permission of the GCB to update our software. This essentially means no new versions until the end of field trial, unless something critical comes up (at which point field trial would start over). Field trial can be reset for a variety of reasons, but essentially it's up to GCB to determine if you're successful in your field trial.

We can't add anything when the GCB "isn't looking". Every piece of our software is either stamped as core or non-core. Core components are things like the shuffle, actions the buttons take when clicked, how the pots are awarded and so on. Non-core components are things like the text blurb in the deposit window or the selection of avatars. Core components MUST be approved by our third party certification company, GLI (http://www.gaminglabs.com/ - warning, autoplaying sound). Once GLI approves it, they write a report and sends it to GCB for their approval. What this means is, in practice, new features need to be vetted a long time in advance. Once we finish our internal planning, developing and testing, we can't just roll it out - we have to send the code to GLI, then wait for GCB approval. This means we need to plan ahead, and we're currently already working on v2 and v3.

We select them and pay them. There's only two in Nevada (that I know of - so don't quote me on this, and if a rep from another certification lab is here, please speak up): GLI and BMM. Both have employees who have previously worked in the GCB directly. I don't actually know if the audit results are public, but you can try contacting GLI directly to ask.

We're majority owned by Station Casinos, who is owned by the same people who own the UFC (the Fertitta family). Tom Breitling, our chairperson, is easily google-able, but owned a travel company (later sold to Expedia) and the Golden Nugget Casino. Tobin Prior (our CEO) used to run the Atlantis in the Bahamas. Basically, we consider the Station/UFC/UP companies to be a part of the same extended family.

I'm honestly uneducated on Station Casinos history, sorry. I just work here.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions, but again, just to make it clear, I'm involved in the poker product side of things for Ultimate Poker. Let me know if I can help you find the answers you're looking for, or the people who know them.

does the trial period man you CANT add MTTS like 27 man 45 man, or 90 man until the 30 days ends or can you do it this week
thanks, tim

05-04-2013 , 08:14 PM

#1785

Sect7G

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Has anyone had any luck connecting from the Red Rock Casino?

Also does that casino have a poker room?

05-04-2013 , 08:17 PM

#1786

timormson

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one last question. does it matter if I buy the throwaway phone here in Wisconsin or is that going to make it impossible to verify

05-04-2013 , 08:27 PM

#1787

Vegan

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Congratulations to the Ultimate Poker guys. This is probably the best launch to a new site i've ever seen.

I'm very excited to watch Ultimate Poker grow. There are so many marketing possibilities with the UFC... Order a PPV fight, or buy UFC tickets and get free money or tournament tickets on Ultimate Poker. Or play a certain amount of hands, or deposit a certain amount and get UFC tickets, or free PPV. I think it's a good way to get new sign ups from UFC fans and give them a reason to keep playing. Maybe even hand out tournament tickets, or Ultimate Poker money at the UFC events when they turn their ticket stubs in or something.

I'm glad you guys are considering what the casual players might want. I don't think sites should cater to the multitabling grinders and give them everything they want. I hope you don't implement things just because so many grinders on this site want it. You guys should be the ones making the decisions. I think most suggestions that poker sites do get are from sharks and grinders looking to increase their profits and to get software features to help them do it. Casual players just want to play poker and most likely aren't going to go out of their way demanding all these new options. So, just because you get suggestions for something, I don't think it means that the majority of your players want it. I think pokersites should keep it simple and easy enough to get casuals into the games. If there is a ton of options and all these filters and all this other stuff that helps multitablers, then I think most casuals will get confused and turned off. I think the best way to find out what the majority of players want is to send an email asking what they want and offer a freeroll if they answer it.

Anyways... I was wondering if players from California can play in the Staycation freeroll? I won a free hotel stay on Golden Nugget's site, but got an email saying people from California were not eligible for prizes and I could not see that in your terms.

05-04-2013 , 08:32 PM

#1788

trup_qq

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A question I haven't seen asked/answered yet:

Three people in my house are now signed up on UP. Can we all play the 10k freeroll from the same IP address? What about the Sunday MTTs? And furthermore, does your software ban players from the same IP from playing at the same cash table, or playing in the same single table SNG? Thanks, and great job so far.

05-04-2013 , 08:33 PM

#1789

timormson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi

Umm...I only ever asked Dax a few questions. Not sure who you are or why you are behaving so defensively. Is there some reason you think my asking a few questions prevents anyone else from doing as they like?

I hope you can see that your overreaction looks quite suspicious, as if I'm threatening some personal interest. Is your name Greg Pierson? Are you affiliated with UP in any way?

I don't intend to play UP until and unless my homework proves them to be trustworthy with my bank and credit card info., not to mention any money I may have on account with them. I've found quite a list of reasons to distrust them but not one reason to trust them, especially since their own website obfuscates who actually owns UP and Station Casinos.

NOPE, you just appear to be looking for reasons that this company is affiliated with ultimate bet and their owners. you hardly had any questions about poker itself or the software, just about the company and who is in charge. im defensive because dax has answered that same question 10--12 times in different ways and after yet another, you hit him with about 10 question, like it was a deposition or a warren commission. the guy has been fielding questions left and right over and over and you come in and act like the poker gestapo.
well isn't so and so also affiliated with ultimate bet or didn't this guy invent the super user scandal. you seem like you could care less about playing poker here and whether it works but more like you just have an axe to grind with the former owners of ultimate bet and why none if us should trust this site, thats your main point isn't it, WHY should we just trust this company and three or four of us answered because its based in America and governed by the NGC, not the isle of man or gibralter spain.YOU JUST DONT SEEM LIKE A POKER PLAYER WHO IS INTERESTED IN PLAYING HERE, but someone who lost money in the ultimate bet scandal and wants to know why this company has ties to them. in that case I could care less about why and all your questions. no one could have that much interest about all that unless they have personal reasons

05-04-2013 , 08:40 PM

#1790

timormson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

and my first answer was simple, then don't play. nothing dax answered you with would make you think this company was trustworthy if you totally believe they aren't, because he has already answered the same types of questions a dozen times already, and even in the post you quoted him from. im here to read about the software and how the games are progressing, not about the owners and techs of the company

05-04-2013 , 08:46 PM

#1791

Paul B.

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What are the highest NLHE and PLO games that run regularly?

05-04-2013 , 08:47 PM

#1792

3ozBacardi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

Whew, lot of questions. I'll do my best.

Tip of the iceberg, I assure you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

We use iovation to look up a given player's "fraud score". They don't have any access to our hands, our database, our office, our software or sensitive information. The relationship is distant at best.

Do you know how/where Iovation gets their 'fraud score"? How can they score any player without seeing them in action? Iovation is your security for detecting collusion and other forms of cheating, no?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

"They" are the Nevada Gaming Control Board. They have an entire division (Audit: http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=45) who have requirements for reports and process review. We both provide them with reports in various formats (such as a "table session" report that has line items for every single bet/fold/raise and the pots awarded, bets returned, rake taken for as long as that table exists - it's several hundred pages) and access to our systems to review those reports directly.

After the field trial, we have the permission of the GCB to update our software. This essentially means no new versions until the end of field trial, unless something critical comes up (at which point field trial would start over). Field trial can be reset for a variety of reasons, but essentially it's up to GCB to determine if you're successful in your field trial.

We can't add anything when the GCB "isn't looking". Every piece of our software is either stamped as core or non-core. Core components are things like the shuffle, actions the buttons take when clicked, how the pots are awarded and so on. Non-core components are things like the text blurb in the deposit window or the selection of avatars. Core components MUST be approved by our third party certification company, GLI (http://www.gaminglabs.com/ - warning, autoplaying sound). Once GLI approves it, they write a report and sends it to GCB for their approval. What this means is, in practice, new features need to be vetted a long time in advance. Once we finish our internal planning, developing and testing, we can't just roll it out - we have to send the code to GLI, then wait for GCB approval. This means we need to plan ahead, and we're currently already working on v2 and v3.

We select them and pay them. There's only two in Nevada (that I know of - so don't quote me on this, and if a rep from another certification lab is here, please speak up): GLI and BMM. Both have employees who have previously worked in the GCB directly. I don't actually know if the audit results are public, but you can try contacting GLI directly to ask.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

We're majority owned by Station Casinos, who is owned by the same people who own the UFC (the Fertitta family). Tom Breitling, our chairperson, is easily google-able, but owned a travel company (later sold to Expedia) and the Golden Nugget Casino. Tobin Prior (our CEO) used to run the Atlantis in the Bahamas. Basically, we consider the Station/UFC/UP companies to be a part of the same extended family.

How nice for you all...to consider yourselve's 'family'. As I understand it, a good many others consider these folks a 'family' as well.

http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-ultimate...al-money-poker
'Ultimate Poker, a majority-owned subsidiary of Station Casinos LLC.'.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/online...-in-u-s-23707/
'Ultimate Gaming, a subsidiary of Station Casinos LLC, will see its Ultimate Poker deal its first hand...'

Subsidiaries are separately incorporated entities that are owned or controlled by a parent entity. Is Ultimate Gaming incorporated? If do, as what...exactly?
Does Station Casinos LLC own UP directly, or is UP owned by Ultimate Gaming (whatever)?

http://www.ultimategaming.com/about-ultimate-gaming/
So what's the relationship between Station Casinos LLC and Station Casinos, Inc.? Why are they separate (i.e. LLC & Inc.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

I'm honestly uneducated on Station Casinos history, sorry. I just work here.

You appreciate that we've heard this sort of thing before, yes?
Perhaps you could ask someone to update the UP website to be crystal clear about the company(s) structure and who runs and owns UP. This might give us paranoid types some comfort that UP is not obfuscating the structure and ownership using layers of coporations and tradestyles, as other Pokersites have for suspect reasons

05-04-2013 , 08:47 PM

#1793

Dax @UltimatePoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

does the trial period man you CANT add MTTS like 27 man 45 man, or 90 man until the 30 days ends or can you do it this week
thanks, tim

We can add any games (including what you spoke about) we wish, but as mentioned, we want to very carefully roll out games that people want without hurting the room as a whole. You'll slowly start seeing more and more games pop up as there become enough people to support them.

05-04-2013 , 08:48 PM

#1794

Dax @UltimatePoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

one last question. does it matter if I buy the throwaway phone here in Wisconsin or is that going to make it impossible to verify

I would recommend getting it here - I'm not sure if this matters, but I've heard of people who have NY phones that had trouble getting verified.

Has anyone with a phone and/or phone number from out of Nevada gotten verified successfully?

05-04-2013 , 08:55 PM

#1795

timormson

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I'm honestly uneducated on Station Casinos history, sorry. I just work here.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions, but again, just to make it clear, I'm involved in the poker product side of things for Ultimate Poker. Let me know if I can help you find the answers you're looking for, or the people who know them.

the above was the last excerpt from DAX to you.. you see he is in the POKER PRODUCT side of things, and your questions are all about the management side, who oversees the site at NGC, etc., who the owners are and if they were ever working at ultimate bet. you have no real questions about the GAME itself, of which he IS an expert.you have said point blank, you have a ton of reasons not to trust this site ,and not one reason why you should..its dax's job to be polite and convince you you should but it isn't mine or the other 300 people who are here looking for questions about making the software work better. you don't WANT to play here. you just want answers about the group of people who ripped you off

05-04-2013 , 08:55 PM

#1796

3ozBacardi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

you don't WANT to play here. you just want answers about the group of people who ripped you off

I already have those answers (too late). I want to know about UP up front.

Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

They have drugs for this...

Last edited by 3ozBacardi; 05-04-2013 at 09:04 PM.

05-04-2013 , 08:56 PM

#1797

CCuster_911

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

I got the over on 199.5. (Maximum entrants is 200).

Seriously, I think it's going to fill up. There's 37 registered already, and we think something like 90% of the registrations are going to be day-of.

math isnt your strong suit is it? lol

05-04-2013 , 09:02 PM

#1798

timormson

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I'm honestly uneducated on Station Casinos history, sorry. I just work here.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions, but again, just to make it clear, I'm involved in the poker product side of things for Ultimate Poker. Let me know if I can help you find the answers you're looking for, or the people who know them.

what a spineless jerk you are. I knew none of his answers would come
close to satisfying you. the guy is doing a great job(best ive ever seen) answering a barrage of questions about a new software and you keep belittling with questionsbout upper management and stuff that he couldn't possibly have the answer for. he is a software tech you mindless troll. he doesn't run the company or have to answer your inane paranoid questions. you don't trust them and think they have ties to ultimate bet.
'WE GET IT ..now crawl back in the hole you waddled out of....

05-04-2013 , 09:03 PM

#1799

timormson

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 367

OBVIOUSLY this last post was vollied at Bacardi not dax..
it copied and pasted the wrong item

05-04-2013 , 09:05 PM

#1800

3ozBacardi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

I'm honestly uneducated on Station Casinos history, sorry. I just work here.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions, but again, just to make it clear, I'm involved in the poker product side of things for Ultimate Poker. Let me know if I can help you find the answers you're looking for, or the people who know them.

what a spineless jerk you are. I knew none of his answers would come
close to satisfying you. the guy is doing a great job(best ive ever seen) answering a barrage of questions about a new software and you keep belittling with questionsbout upper management and stuff that he couldn't possibly have the answer for. he is a software tech you mindless troll. he doesn't run the company or have to answer your inane paranoid questions. you don't trust them and think they have ties to ultimate bet.
'WE GET IT ..now crawl back in the hole you waddled out of....

Guess I've been told...

Quote:

Originally Posted by timormson

OBVIOUSLY this last post was vollied at Bacardi not dax..
it copied and pasted the wrong item

while on a steaming rant

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