Advertising suggestion, try handing out pamphlets at the airport explaining how easy it is for tourists to deposit and withdraw money.

I am surprised to see this many people signing up on UltimatePoker. The biggest advantages are the LGC oversight, and going down to the casino to cash out when you win a tournament, but it comes with a HUGE downside of only being able to play in Nevada.

You can already deposit on Bovada with Visa, Western Union, and Moneygram, and on SealsWithClubs indirectly with bank account, wire, or at 7-11, CVS, or WalMart.

According to timormson, 10 day Bovada cashouts is reasonable considering the site has 20x the number of players. Seals has 2-4hr bitcoin cashouts. UltimatePoker is going to have to rely entirely on it's advertising to pull ahead of these competitors who already have mobile apps, mixed game support, no verification hassle, and no Nevada-only limitation.

But it's not easy. Tourists have to buy a cell phone, buy a plan, try to connect, and line up behind everyone else when they have location verification problems. Do you think a tourist is going to go to all that trouble? Really? I don't.

confident then

it be full tilt part 2

well when playing on poker stars and using HEM you could generate your own reports and set the definition of a session as x amount of minutes between stopping and starting again.
And you could put in a spreadsheet and use a formula to tell you amount of all winning sessions(by your own definition) and losing sessions.

I've already given up on U.P. and just deposited back on Bovada. Not to mention there's no records playing on Bovada if you know what I mean.

I also don't know how a beta version is compared to a final product, but UP isn't anywhere close to being an acceptable product. It's the fisher price of poker software.

Terrible software (I just don't see them improving it enough to want to play there often compared to any other site that comes out with something decent)
Connectivity problems for a huge amount of potential customers
No way to deposit for a huge amount of customers.
I gave them the benefit for being brand new but this is turning into a fail in my book. I

Will doing this enable my Verizon phone to locate or is this just a way of telling the powers that be, as a Verizon customer, I want this to be able to work in the future?

...and doing the demo test it located my Verizon phone, which is about 2 miles due south of McCarran Airport, in 10 seconds.

Gemaco,

But you did stay at a Holiday Inn tho right?

Exactly

I am pretty sure like 50% of the people on 2pl2 do this nightly

Of course Bovada has more players, U.P. is only 2 days old lol. For Nevadans, U.P. is great because it's 100% legal. Funds are available in your hand within minutes. Even though Bovada has had good payouts in the last month or two, before that it didn't. It goes up and down with payout speeds and the months go bye. I stopped playing there specifically about a year ago because my cashout check took about 1.5 months to reach me, then it bounced. Then it took about 2 more months for them to send me a new one. That one cleared but overall that was almost 4 months to get it. So I switched to America's Cardroom and get my money every time in just 2-4 days via their ACR debit card I can use at any atm. However, Ultimate Poker is even faster for us Las Vegans because when we decide we want to cash out...we just drive 10 minutes to a casino and get it. Me likey.

It's just our way of letting Verizon know that their customers want this service - that we're not using it to somehow abuse our customers. I'm not sure if they're clear that location services are an opt in, legal service for a legal poker company (the only one in the USA!) that customers want.

I'm sure once they've heard that from us (and enough customers), they'll change their mind.

I hope!

I'm just curious, what percentage of table game players do you think report their winnings?

This why Ultimate Poker will be #2 in the world easily within a few months (if no other Nevada firms join in a dilute the player base).

Comparing the flow of money with Bovada (who admittedly is better then merge/lock) with Ultimate Poker is insane.

For the vast majority of us, the ONLY way to deposit on Bovada is to send some dude named Jose in the Philippines a western union that has extremely high fees.

For most of us, the only way to get a payout from Bovada is to wait for a check from Singapore, which could take two weeks to two months, then wait another month while our banks attempt to cash this international check .. all the while praying it doesn't bounce.

For ultimate poker if you want a cash-out you literally just drive to a station casino and money in hand....

ya, those sound about the same in difficulty

What are you talking about? I just deposited via CC on Bovada and got my last check in 10 days.

And how is UP going to be #2 in the world with a NV player pool? lol
It's going to be years before it's fully interstate and then who knows if it'll ever be international.

I would say 100% of the honest players, and 0% of the criminal douchbags who think they, alone, are somehow exempt from paying taxes even though they drive on the same roads, get protected by same army, etc.

When I am at Foxwoods and someone starts bragging about how they don't pay taxes I immediately let the know what a piece of **** they are.

Nothing irks me more then people bragging about not paying taxes while I am sending in a huge freaking check every quarter because I am honest (and don't want to go jail).

Live poker players in cash games?...I'd guess about 4%

I think you're being optimistic if you expect Verizon to perform a system-wide setting change to their cell network in response to individual customer complaints and one company's request. Are you guys working on a backup plan? Maybe an iPhone/Android app that uses the GPS feature of the phone instead?

I guess I should have clarified that I meant when other states start joining.

And that's great that your credit card works on Bovada, when I tried to redeposit there after black Friday none of my credit cards worked. Most people I talked to had same issue.

Also not very efficient to put thousands on a credit card. When I did that for a merge skin it got charged as a cash advance and with fees/interest it would of been cheaper to do it WU.

I have probably received hundreds of payouts from Bodog/Bovada dating back to 2006, and the quickest I ever, ever, got a check was exactly 10 days. So good for you but my experience was much longer, and a few times it took over 1.5 months.

I also assume you never received a hand written check from the Bahamas for 3K which bounced and caused you months to rectify? Maybe I had an unique experience with Bodog/Bovada. Happy for you.

I am curious the Stations sports book allows you to bet on your phone in NV and the Verizon works fine. Cantor Sports book also works same way. They must use triangulation to see you are in NV, so why isnt that applied to your poker site. Maybe having the Gaming Commission make a call would solve problem. The only thing is it will not work if your bluetooth is on you will be blocked

I don't care. I play for a living and report 100%. I was also audited several years ago.

The flickers on the Strip can pass them out instead on stripper cards

I too received many payouts from bodog since 2006 and the time it took varied dramatically. The fastest was a western union that I received 3 hours after making initial payout request. I assure you that never happened again. They are incredibly inconsistent. I was fortunate to never have a check bounce but I too am familiar with the 2 months delays in getting checks from them.

Legal, regulated poker poker is the only way to go, if you like knowing where your money is and when you can expect to have access to it.

You'll never get a hand-written check from us, and we think that our cashout process is what's going to draw people to us in the long term.

Personally, I'm a little bummed that I can't play. If I won a tournament, I'd be cashing out, driving to the casino, and asking for that in dollar bills. You know. For vending machines.

You must feel all fuzzy and happy about yourself too

Huge fail imo

the issue is with getting the money off, not getting the money on

have you visited the bovada payout thread?