I am a nit and I like to feel wanted.

Maybe you could just say that you want to encourage loose action.

Or maybe you should spread a different game or change the blind structure/ante in a way that encourages a different style of play. But, to offer a game, that allows a person to play like a nit within the rules, and then act like you don't want that persons business is hurtful.

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I posted earlier that the cards being scrunched together happened to me, also while in a HU all-in, and that I was NOT moving around the window when it happened. Although it had been dragged from where it had opened, as I always do. It was the first time that I ever noticed it.

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At Full Tilt I modded the cards Solid Orange.
And took off avatars.

You mentioned some avatars would match just about any color. You can pick a color like Flourescent Green and then get rid of any avatars that match.

another issue -- hoverover chip counts seem to be broken in tournaments. They appear to be set when the player is seated at the table and not update. this is important because you need them when your table is minimized because they dont shrink

Quick math I'm not sure if this is a 100%, and I'm writing this after I did the calculation. So here are some thoughts, I've been a rake back player for a long time, been playing professionally around 9 years. I hit Pokerstars VIP ELITE before and was playing around 16-24 tables at 1-2 stakes. this number might be wrong but ended up raking around $170k that year and at the end of the day ended up receiving well over 50% rake back. I recently moved to Vegas, b/c frankly i really don't wanna get a "real job" and why the hell not, plus the idea of Nevada being on the forefront of online poker was alluring. i mostly play online on other sites and truthfully have less than 50 bucks on this account b/c i initially deposited and ended up cashing out due to its software's general functionality. i'm not going to pretend i know the logistics behind running an online card room or developing software so i can't be too mad and at least the new software seems to be a little bit of an upgrade. reason i'm going on this hoopla is to point out that guys like me find very little incentive to play on this site. 10k rake for me a month is no problem, but lack of basic functionality (ie wait list, not having PLO ect) is a huge deterrence for high volume player like myself. i'm rooting for this site to work and i actually really like red rock and will probably play in their tourneys in the up coming weekend. I hope someone on the Up side kicks this up to the higher ups :P or they pm me if they ever wanted my input, but overall for a guy like me their are still options that are better for me personally but i'm really hoping Up steps it up b/c their is still nothing better than picking up cash-money at the cage

Tier/Total Rake/Total Points Earned

White Chip

Red Chip $2 20Up

Green Chip $10 180Up

Black Chip $50 1,780Up

Purple Chip $100 4,780Up

Yellow Chip $250 16,780Up

Orange Chip $500 41,780Up

Cranberry Chump $1000 101,780Up (You would've gotten about 9% rakeback at this point, $90 in rakeback)

Gold Plaque $10,000 1,451,780Up (At this point you hit 4 milestone bonuses for $175 minus 4,000Up points)
***ok so say we reach gold and haven't used any of our points we'll round up and say we have 1.5M Up we've redeemed all our points for the $500(500,000Up) plus the milestones
***GRAND TOTAL OF $1675 around 16% Rakeback

Platinum Plaque $100,000 17,651,780Up

In-Store Cash Credit
25,000Up=$20
100,000Up=$90
500,000Up=$500

Basically all milestone bonuses aren't attainable unless you rake $5,000 since the requirement is 25k xp, so @Gold you can recieve $175 and @Platinum $17,625 (given that you take the $10k option for the highest milestone)

So we hit Platinum............we've worked really hard and saved ALL our points 17,651,780 Upoints!!!!

17,651,780 Up
- 1,604,000 Up required for all milestones $17,625
-16,000,000 Up to redeem $500 @500k Up a pop $500x32 = $16,000
Leaves your with around 47k in Up and $33,625

So 33.625% Rakeback at Platinum

Skeptix-

I do read your posts, and Scotty and I have had many discussions about the ideas posted in this thread.

I would be more than happy to have a philosophical discussion about the benefits of overlays, the impact of tournament guarantees on the overall poker ecosystem, player engagement/retention etc.

Please note that given the proprietary nature of Ultimate Poker's numbers we won't be able to get into anything specific when it comes the numbers and how each tournament may impact them.

Feel free to PM me

I don't think anything you've suggested is that far out of line, but a lot of the tournament schedule is as much art as it is science, and to be honest, the best way to get more guaranteed tournaments might actually just to be as a customer would be: HEY WHERES MY 9 PM GTD MOBNIES! Ok, maybe a little more enlightened than that, but you catch my drift.

In any case, your feedback is awesome and welcomed. I don't have access to the same data that Scotty does, but I think he's doing a pretty kickass job with the game selection given the small player pool we have.

So, I think you said,,,
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Platinum Plaque $100,000 17,651,780Up
So 33.625% Rakeback at Platinum

Gold Plaque $10,000 1,451,780Up

***GRAND TOTAL OF $1675 around 16% Rakeback***
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Are these best case scenarios. For instance you played until exactly you earn the $10,000 Bonus? But, if you played maybe 1 and 1/2 times that much your effective Rackback would be lower?

i came up with roughly the same

the good value will come on yr 2 when you have the 30x multiplier the entire time

It appears that anyone that does not make Platinum gets a lot less.

On average, it should be a bit more, because when you do it again the next year, youll be starting as Platinum (or "grandmaster" to use the term from the VIP page)

not sure you were really SNE, as you claim, because if you were you would prob not call it VIP ELITE.

If you were SNE, you should understand why getting plat plaque w up will earn you a lot more in the longrun than a comparable amount of play at ps.

Great ding app Turyia, Thanks.

Ok on to the 6th try Dax,

When should we expect 9max 100bb tables ? It should be such a simple question to answer yet it seems like I am asking a question in some long forgotten foreign language.

i wouldnt lie about it, nothing to gain? i mean u can look me up i made it in 2008 i believe under powerhausaa plus its been 5 years removed and stars has been outta the country for a while now, and you're right if u do start the year off as plat than ur value goes way high for instance if u reach 1,000,000 again in the following year u get 30M in pts which would make ur yearly rb over 50 percent, but on stars simply getting to SNE from 0 points the first year far exceeded 50% rb

They want to protect the fish from going busto too soon. But the fact that they have 100bb 6 max doesn't go with that theory so I would love to know also.

lol if u really doubt me pm me i have proof

yikes, so your standard cranberry is getting < 15% rb? this cant be so

i just realized who you are after seeing your pic on twitter. we played some a couple years ago when i played the wynn games.

also i dont play lolnitring often so it is whatever to me, but keep in mind a large amount of the fish populate the 9 handed games because of the "action" buyins.

The VIP system is not equally fair to all. It rewards the best players and loose players more. Those who are very tight or poor players that win few hands or small pots are not rewarded as well as others. It seems to me, that if a player is losing and not winning many hands, either most of the time or during a bad streak, they at least should be rewarded with VIP points. This is how all casinos operate. You are not comped based on winnings. You are comped based on amount of play. And winning hands doesn't correlate with amount of play.

The system should be more equal with each player who was dealt into the hand sharing in the rake generated. This is how Pokerstars used to operate, I believe.

It's not a good feeling to lose hand after hand during a bad run and get nothing more it, however small the reward.

at cranberry i believe u need to rake $165 to get the points required for the $20 cash back which is about 12% rakeback plz anyone correct me if im wrong

once you're at black and you wanna earn enough points for $500 u need 500,000UP which divided by 18(pts multiplier) is 27,777 which in turn means u have to rake $2,777 so roughly around 18% RB

So MAX scenario.......you get to platinum in a year that yields you $33,625 in cashback and milestones which is around 33.6% rb

the following year you do the same thing but this time starting with the platinum multiplier......so 30million upoints will basically be $17,625(milestones) +$46,021(@$500 for every 500kUP) = $46,021. so rb for following year would be 46% this is granted that all points were saved til end of year

if you're getting different #'s plz let me know

I've been putting together a spreadsheet to calculate the rakeback, and noticed that some of the figures quoted in the VIP terms and conditions seem to be wrong.

The top three tournament ticket prices are quoted in millions when they should be hundreds of thousands eg 2,000,000 instead of 200,000.

Cranberry is listed variably as tier 7 or tier 8.

No worries, and sorry I missed your previous questions. This is generally a question for Scotty, but we have generally opted for the 50BB tables for a variety of reasons. We're not opposed to it, but we're balancing what we see at the games and tables with what gives our players (all of them) the most play from a small deposit (which is the gross majority of our players).

We are aware that many people here are asking for 9max 100bb tables, though.

Thanks for pointing this out, we will fix this asap

Dax,

Can you please address the posts re: the server restart this morning and also explain why the Randy tables havent been put back up yet?

Also, can you please give me an avenue to communicate with someone in support (and please not just the player care email cause it doesnt help) so that when these issues come up they can be handled back-channel and not in four days time.

I appreciate the social media presence, but I think it does more harm than good in a lot of cases, and there needs to be a way to get things handled quietly, the way Randy would do it, if he were around, as an example. To be fair, at this point, hes the main reason you have a high limit player base, and without him, the daily issues that come up that need specific attention are not being addressed efficiently, or at all.

Oh, and while I have your attention, I have been trying to get my tokens turned into cash for close to four? days now. I was told that i would hear back from someone from Promotions. I haven't. Any idea who I could contact? Thank you in advance for all your help.

I missed the first few days this was rolled out. Apparently I also missed all the craziness. I find this software to be much better simply because the old software was so terrible. Thank you for fixing the horrible lag. The flow is much smoother now. A lot of standard features still appear to be missing. No auto top up, or notes, but two click rebuys feels great. I dont understand why focus was put on avatars, and a layout that makes it difficult to see who has cards.

I understand you think "layin money on yall" being the two small bonuses and a few promotions was enough. I found that to be a bit misleading as I was expecting we would be compensated VIP wise for our past play since the site rolled out. At the end of the day what we think doesn't really matter, and you guys will do what you want. Can we at least get compensated for our August play VIP...XP wise? I don't think that is too much to ask.

Again I would like to thank all of the Ultimate Staff for their hardwork, and participation in this thread.

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