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04-30-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTruthSpeaks
Weird, lengthy pause before pot is shipped to winner. Need to clean that up.
Likely someone at the table got a captcha. We give the table a little extra time to act when this comes up. This is part of our bot detection suite.
04-30-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
There are plenty of legit reasons why a person IN the state of NV would be connecting to a VPN IN the same state (work firewalls, etc).

Yes, while this could also be used to play outside of NV, i was simply asking it it worked - or MUST the player always play via a cellular connection?
you don't have to play via a cellular connection, at no point did anyone suggest that, cell phone is only required to receive a text message to sign up and they will sporadically make sure your cell phone is still located within nevada apparently while logged in. you still play via your regular internet connection.

if you're going to ask a site rep about VPN usage, it'd be pretty obvious to me you'd need to suggest for legit purposes, otherwise i doubt you'll ever receive a response.

if you're using something like team viewer, then you're essentially in the clear anyway. as long as you're directly connecting to your PC and not just using a VPN.
04-30-2013 , 03:36 PM
Congratulations Daxonovitch and team on getting this launched successfully. I am now somewhat optimistic about poker returning to the US and wish you guys all the success in the world for being the pioneers.
04-30-2013 , 03:37 PM
Dax def needs an under title and a color change imo.

Also allow huds imo.
04-30-2013 , 03:39 PM
Am playing now.

Initial points:

Font in game listing in lobby too small.

No easy way to find/access or join waiting list.
04-30-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
you don't have to play via a cellular connection, at no point did anyone suggest that, cell phone is only required to receive a text message to sign up and they will sporadically make sure your cell phone is still located within nevada apparently while logged in. you still play via your regular internet connection.
Ok - that clarifies what I was asking then....but I still want confirmation.

To play, I must have my cell phone on AND be playing on a Nevada IP?
04-30-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Be wary of signing up early. A lifetime of rakeback is a way better deal than being one of the first players.
Actually, Nevada doesn't [currently?] allow rakeback. As presently interpreted, we simply can't offer rakeback.

Personally, I don't think the rakeback model is very good, and we have no plans to offer rakeback. Instead, we plan to offer a very fully featured VIP model that rewards customers in an ongoing basis.

I'm thinking we could structure the entire VIP program such that PB&J sammiches and food vouchers are the rewards. Make Hoopernova and get a month's worth of ramen noodles!
04-30-2013 , 03:41 PM
FFS if you have Verizon they cant verify where you are so you can't play. I thought the point was to verify where your computer was? Seems really easy to just leave a cellphone with someone in Nevada and play out of state if that is how they are doing it.
04-30-2013 , 03:41 PM
Can players living in
Vancouver Canada sign up
and play from home in Vancouver?
04-30-2013 , 03:41 PM
And this may have been answered earlier itt, but can someone link to the ToS of UP. And does anyone know how the money for players is kept? And who does the audits of UP?
04-30-2013 , 03:42 PM
great day. hope all goes well and this makes it way to florida!

*doubtful*
04-30-2013 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
It's varied a lot over the years in my recollection, but it seems that 20-100xBB were sort of standard. We've had a lot of discussions about what people "like" to play. Believe it or not, the biggest thing I've been casually asked for in the past few months is anonymous playing. No HUDs, no datamining, no sharkscope, just "player001 wins pot against player002".

Let me know what you guys like. Personally, I don't mind playing deep or short. I would like to someday have some coinflip tables (blinds $50,000/$100,000, min/max buyins equal to each other). I used to really like flipping after cashing (or bubbling) an MTT. I'm a donk, though.
My 2 cent:
Well, I think min buyin should be 35bb (and most of the tables should be 35bb-100bb those are the most popular) otherwise 20 bb shortstackers will swarm the tables and everybody hates them!!! Regulars and recreational players too!

Personally I don't like anonymus tables. It feels sooo much better to win money from "CowboyJoe" then winning against "Player03". It's little bit more personal i guess. And anonymus tables would be bad for the player count too.
But sharkscope and pokertableratings should be banned or make them opt-in.
I don't want anybody too see how much I made or how much I lost.

But I'm hungarian so my opinion doesn't matter that much
04-30-2013 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
Congrats to Stations on getting here first.

One question: Will the client eventually expand to the sports book? (I hate the sports book client.)
Thanks, we're pumped too.

We have no relation to the sports book right now. Not to say that couldn't ever change... I think at least one poker player has bet a sporting event in the past.
04-30-2013 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
Likely someone at the table got a captcha. We give the table a little extra time to act when this comes up. This is part of our bot detection suite.
Interesting, is the captcha designed to pop up over one specific table, or does it pop up, front and center, and "stays on top" by default?

I ask because I imagine that, if the site accrues a significant player base, that having a captcha pop up over one specific table while 24-tabling would be a nightmare.


Also, regarding anonymous players: Please, no.

It's much better for the games to be able to say, "Oh, I see this 6max SNG has 5 regs at it, whom I recognize, better not sit at it.", I also imagine anonymous players would be extremely bad for heads up SNGs..
04-30-2013 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TronSpecial
FFS if you have Verizon they cant verify where you are so you can't play. I thought the point was to verify where your computer was? Seems really easy to just leave a cellphone with someone in Nevada and play out of state if that is how they are doing it.
Yes - this is a bit confusing to me as well. I get phone triangulation, but is that required for all play? What happens when you are in a casio book that has crappy cell reception - no playing on their wifi because your phone isn't on?
04-30-2013 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by apkrnewb
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From what i have been able to see this company wrote no software and is just using UB (Ultimate Bet comprised) software.
I would be impressed if they even employed 1 American programmer much less a team of them which is ideally what they need.
No relation to Ultimate Bet. We have quite a few [excellent] American programmers, including the developer of PokerStove. I'm sure almost everyone here has used it before.

I think you could almost say he was responsible for triple range merging, or the advent of betting trup KK into QQ.
04-30-2013 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
Yes - this is a bit confusing to me as well. I get phone triangulation, but is that required for all play? What happens when you are in a casio book that has crappy cell reception - no playing on their wifi because your phone isn't on?
dax stated that they OCCASIONALLY check your cell phone to see where you're at, it's not REQUIRED to play. if you turn your phone off, for example, you can still log in.
04-30-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
Daxonovitch - after inital setup (within NV state), what prevents a player from playing through a VPN connection that is based in NV with a valid Nevada IP?
Or is play limited to only cellular IPs coming from the "big 4"?
Our software. We check for various things to ensure that people aren't tunneling their network through nevada while being based elsewhere.
04-30-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
We're discussing the 100BB tables, we just don't want newer players to get too chopped up too quickly. Lots of great feedback about this. How would you feel about a period of time every evening with 100 BB tables? Something like 8pm-2am?
I think you should constantly have 100BB tables with no timeframe and just have both 50bb and 100bb max separate tables... Players then choose what they want to play.

I think the anonymous player & HUD decision your team makes will be an extremely important factor to how successful you are. It's important to keep the worse skilled players playing- if they want anonymous names and no huds, I would vouch for that.
04-30-2013 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
But what if the VPN's IP resides in Nevada - that should work fine?
Unfortunately, no. We generally just disallow a lot of things that people "typically" use VPNs for. I do understand there are exceptions, but it gets difficult to figure out who is the exception and who's simply trying to play from Florida.
04-30-2013 , 03:53 PM
Hey guys, I took a lot of screen shots of the software



Lots of different options here, probably mandated my the bill

options menu

AFK mode, useful if you're playing at a casino

Avatars, I can already tell the sock will be a fave.

table backgrounds

deck options

cascaded tables, there is no way to resize the tables

tiled tables

HU table

6 max , the positions are so balanced, remember your ocd customers!!
04-30-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
Likely someone at the table got a captcha. We give the table a little extra time to act when this comes up. This is part of our bot detection suite.
This can't be practical for multi-table grinders, that would be awkward to be 10-12 tabling and catch a captcha. I respect you guys actually doing something to combat bots.... but now the bot operators will just have to actually sit and watch aimlessly as their programs play. Might even make them more keen to acting more like a real person ie. taking a break once in a while/not playing for 3 days straight/never typing in chat box.
04-30-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
Actually, Nevada doesn't [currently?] allow rakeback. As presently interpreted, we simply can't offer rakeback.
Quick question for you, are you the Chief Marketing Officer for the site or are you a forum Representative? If you are not the CMO, do you report directly to him?

Thanks
04-30-2013 , 03:54 PM
ok, so i just tried something out. turned cell phone off, logged in, just fine. however, when you go to account status it cannot verify my location being in nevada.
04-30-2013 , 03:56 PM
I am very happy for your company for getting this off the ground.

No huds or scraping software and this will be the greatest thing to ever happen to online poker in the past 5 years.

      
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