Short answer: it depends.

Long answer: How does the answer to the 100BB tables affect the other tables? I would love to see a poker site with the balls to make every stake/table 100BB only buy-in. However, if not doing that, are you going to have like $5/10+ 100BB buy-in only, BUT make everything below $5/10 be the nightmare 50BB buy-in only?

The best solution is make the whole site 50-100BB buy-in and move on to all the other stuff that needs to be fixed on this site.

On a different note...get a niche advantage over even your largest competitors by being the site with the best rake structure for PLO. The site with the best PLO rake is going to get the lion's share of the PLO action. There's gold to be made ruling the PLO market. And higher stakes PLO easily dominates the number of higher stakes NLH games going now. Get the powers that be at Station to understand this and position yourself to have a lower rake structure than the competition even if it means lowering your PLO rake a time or two after competitors like Caesars hit the market.

I've been on the sideline for a couple years - not understanding. Won't sites just charge the same percentage for Hold'em and PLO?

I don't play PLO or know anything about the rake issues.
But I do know that PokerStars had a number of players fly out to the Isle of Man to discuss, in large part, the rake structures for PLO. I recommend looking at any threads that address this to be more caught up than I on the status of rake for that game.

Raking PLO and NLH the same has been a disaster for the growth of PLO. There simply aren't many pre-rb winners. Like Phoenix just said the debate rages on in several threads, here is one thread


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...raked-1315665/

If Nevada-only is going to be a small-ish pool, I'd prefer to be site with all the traffic. Anyone with the best PLO rake probably gets a majority of the PLO action. And free advertising too. Even the Caesars thread will have posts like, "if you are playing PLO, you should be playing UP because they have the best PLO rake."

Thanks Scotty... I requested the cash out on Thursday at 5pm. Since it's a Saturday would today be counted as a business day? or will I have to wait til Tuesday for the 3 business days?

Caesars might be the most unpopular big gaming company in Nevada. Lets keep things in perspective, the WSOP brand is hated by locals all year long till the WSOP starts, then by the end it is hated again. Ironic, but true. WSOP brand may not be as big of an edge as you think.... also I have used the WSOP software, its not as good as you might think it is... beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, there can be more than one winner in this race, UP and WSOP can co-exist just fine.

This is a live poker market, the best bet is to mimic the live poker buyin options 0f 40bb min, 100bb max which is a standard and then from there the specific game's needs are commonly met. I recommend a min buyin of 50bb max of 100bb for all NL and PL games up to 5/10, and for bigger stakes you have some flexibility.

i don't buy this sentimentality at all. when your options are limited popularity definitely takes a back seat to functionality. we're now on day 33 since the launch and we still have the beta version with:

1. terrible tournament selection
2. terrible structure within those tournaments
3. terrible ring game setup/selection
4. terrible software

if you're asking players to contribute towards the profitability of your site you shouldn't also ask the players for unlimited patience. to UP's credit at least it appears their support is trying to make good on problems after the fact but that doesn't change the fact that the longer those problems occur the more likely you are to lose those customers at the first competitor that pops up

also it's highly unlikely to have sites coexist like stars/ftp when p2p transfers on clients aren't not allowed. the process of cashing out/redepositing on new site instead of being able to just swap x for y makes it more likely most players will choose one site or the other

edit to add: at least 2 of these 4 things (ring games, tourney selection) they've demonstrated they can fix right now if they wanted to without having to release an update (i assume tourney structure too, but i'm not sure), they've just decided for whatever reason not to

Looks like the $25 promo worked with traffic jumping up to 550 last night after averaging around 350 a night for last several weeks and 550 is 2nd only to the million hand promo when it hit 640.

that, or all the new poker players in town for the WSOP.
UP ... NEEDS to come out with the new 2.0 version soon,
the present site just doesn't give you any feasible options except
cash games
they HAVE to have MTTS, and PLO right away.
it is ridiculous if they wait any longer than another week.
the DAY the NGC gives them their regular license,
they should haul out the 2.0 version..period

For the big UFC summer event in L.V I'd suggest lining up some big fighters with a strong social media following to agree to play online during the fan expo, leading up to the fight. There will be a lot of tourists coming to see the UFC and with the fan expo's, weigh ins it's becoming almost a week long festival similar to what Wrestlemania morphed into.

With over a months notice and the fighters tweeting about when they'll be online I'd expect a nice boost in traffic. Also marketing UP at the fan expo would help a lot. Additionally I'd suggest giving a free $10 coupon to everyone who attends the live event or fan expo. Obv. not all would use it but it would remind tourists of the option of playing Online when in Vegas.

A lot of expert online poker businessmen ITT

Without a doubt this is an execrable attempt at both a business and a poker website.

(Looked at this thread a few weeks ago, just came back and jumping in here without reading the intervening posts).

1) Sent CS a letter with questions when it first opened, had to resend once or twice but got a response within a few days.

CS now much worse rather than better - sent a letter with questions on 5-14 - got an automated response that they've received it - 18 days later nothing.

Pitiful cs.


2) Not being able to enlarge the poker table screens.
Pitiful.

3) Lack of games, lack of mtt, lack of instructions/info.

A "freeroll" tourney costs $0 +$1.
What is the $1 for? Who knows. No info.
How is a "freeroll" costing $1? Who knows.

What are the blind levels of tournaments?
For many of them, nothing is listed. Especially for registering in advance, woeful lack of info.

The prize amounts are pitiful.

Ridiculous "freerolls" - play a freeroll satellite to get into a freeroll tournament to win a "staycation" at Stations - what does the "Staycation" consist of, what is time limit to use the prize, etc.
Who knows? No explanation on website. I guess it's assumed everyone is familiar with a "Staycation".
Idiots.

Junk tournament, junk prizes.

What are "double stack" tournaments?
Asked a friend who played online for years - he has no idea either.
No explanation on the website.

Mice type for everything.

Is it really necessary for NV gaming technology to look 10-15 years out of date? (This goes for sportsbetting as well).

Truly a horrible piece of sh*t website with no cs, miserable graphics, no FAQ's...

About as bad an entry to NV online poker as could be.

Almost seems like they were trying to fail, or as if there was a financial reward for failing in every way.

Worthless.

"On July 28, 2009 Station Casinos filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. Station Casinos’ filing listed $5.7 billion in assets against $6.5 billion in debt. The filing said the company has 510 holders of unsecured and subordinate debt totaling $4.4 billion.[5] On August 21, 2009, Frank Fertitta Jr., the founder of Station Casinos and father of the Fertitta brothers, died from complications of a heart condition.

Station Casinos finally exited bankruptcy in June 2011 with $4 billion less in debt, and with creditors putting the company's 18 casinos back in the hands of the Fertitta family and their partners. The Fertitta brothers agreed to put nearly $200 million in the reassembled company, and now own 45 percent of its outstanding shares. The other new equity owners include the company's main secured lenders, Deutsche Bank AG, which now holds 25 percent, JPMorgan Chase with a 15 percent stake, and former unsecured bondholders hold an additional 15 percent, according to lawyers on the deal.[6]" - wiki

The idiot Fertitta brothers, who led the company into bankruptcy, were given control again with the refinancing.

They pioneered 86'ing winning sportsbettors from their sportsbooks, now a common practice in NV.

Their cousin Tillman owns the Golden Nugget. He's the owner of the Landry's chain of seafood restaurants, so if he knows how to do one thing right it's restaurants/food service.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/183445271.html

http://www.ktnv.com/news/toprotator/183595741.html

How soon we all forget that just a month ago players were SCREAMING for online poker no matter what, and then once we get it in an early form necessary to clear the many hurdles put in place by Nevada, so ,any players dismiss it because its not at all like what they hoped for. I would much rather have games now with client software that is in the middle of being improved but is still very playable than no games at all - count your blessings.

In my expert opinion the NV ecology (note i said ecology, not economy) will be vastly different than the existing Europe- Centric Stars/FTP experience. With Stars/FTP you can't go down to your neighborhood casino to withdraw or make a deposit, this makes backing/stealing very easy - especially since Las Vegas poker is a cash and carry busines. It's like comparing apples to oranges, they are both fruit, but taste nothing alike.

Both companies will do just fine. The jury is still out on the other two networks expected to join though.... Looks like Party/MGM/Boyd is going to sit this round out which gives UP a huge advantage. UP also has an advantage on Caesars because deposits are withdrawals are close to home, where as players need to go to the strip to do that wi Caresars/WSOP (assuming they offer this convenience, if they don't they will be at a significant disadvantage).

just because people are clamoring to play doesn't mean people should give a blank check of gratitude that now we can. ignoring the software itself let's look at the lack of quality tournaments and the lack of 100bb games. both of these things UP has demonstrated they can resolve without needing an update and despite the fact that players have wanted these since day 1, they have outright refused to accommodate. scottyy's petulant response about the latter not too long ago isn't very encouraging with regards to the 100bb games.

and as far as the software goes, i don't think anyone expected it'd be perfect right out of the gate, but if you're rushing to put out a bare bones product that you openly admit lacks a LOT in terms of functionality without running any kind of beta test...if you're knowingly sacrificing quality of the product for the exposure (UP was on the front page of yahoo sports not too long ago for example) and traffic that comes with being the first and only game in town then you're also sacrificing goodwill from users and an update not being ready the moment you can submit one is utterly ridiculous

33 days in and the same problems from the launch are still being reported, and the same fixable player concerns with the games spread haven't been addressed. it's incredibly disappointing

ETA PLO?

Played some legal online poker last night on Ultimate Poker in the state of Nevada. Wife snapped a pic.

[x] was in boxers

how big is that monitor to get 6 tables on it? 30 inch?

Also, Ive never had a multiple monitor set up, is that run off 1 computer or 3?

1 comp 2 vid cards, it's a 30 and two twenties.

It's not a hassle. I'm not sure what you are envisioning, but it's exactly like having one large monitor. From the far left to far right I need to move my mouse about 3 inches.

Mouse acceleration. It really is just a few inches.

I've seen you on UP... Serious question, Are you crushing playing all those tables on the site? Mixed results?

Any changes to the software must be tested by a Gaming licensed third party then 3rd party must submit report to NGC. This process can take 2 months by the time Gaming has their once a month hearing. Unfortunately that is the way it is now, UP and other licensed online sites will have to deal with it. So do the players!