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05-02-2013 , 09:49 PM
I'm not in NV and can't play at UP, but I would ask of some of the posters:

Cut these guys some slack....they just got done slogging through regulation hell...got some "ok" software developed and got legal US online poker going...making history in the process.

I am pretty sure they don't like having to make their customers jump through hoops (triangulation with only certain networks available) any more than you like jumping through hoops....Will there be less fish (pronounced tourists) because of this?...probably...but they have no options here....this is legal online poker on US soil...and I am sure it is regulated to within an inch of it's life.

Just give these guys a chance to help customers get registered...geolocated...and work on software issues/new games...etc..etc

This is a two day old baby here....it will be a while before it starts walking.
05-02-2013 , 10:01 PM
1.
- So.. what is to stop someone who knows someone in NV and use their phone number? IF I have a family member in NV I could just tell them 'hey whenever you get a text from "______" just accept.' (or whatever the process UP makes the texter do)

- Then obv. use a NV IP address?

2. What if someone from another state visits NV then plays and wins some, then goes back home? Can they send them a check to a different than NV address? Or what is that process?
05-02-2013 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker
We verified your age from your SSN/DOB/Address and Name. BP won't make a difference in your verification.
OK. I guess I am wrong. I assumed that regulations would require that somebody checked an ID at some point in the process. Of course, I also assumed that the cage at Boulder Station could do that. They informed me that they only do deposits and withdraws and could not verify my wife's ID.

So, a visitor is really supposed to email a copy of their ID before they can play?
05-02-2013 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sevencard2003
i still have not got the email from Dax's engineer that he promised when he called me on the phone yesterday, also seems he tried to call back later, (another call from a private number, but when I answered no one spoke, just silence.)

tried the locater aid service posted in this thread, and It found me in 4 seconds, with a map of the exit right off the interstate, only it said I was in sloan NV insead of Jean. so im not sure why its NEVER listing me as in NV when their software tries to locate me.

if dax can get this solved, id be grateful.

Not only can I not afford to retrrn to Vegas and pay $140-200 a week for an apt that I don't have to pay here at the Goldstrike here in Jean, (it being comped) so many people in Vegas also couldn't be verified as living in NV I fear it would do no good. I left vegas to save money and that's why I want to play online to begin with, to safely grind up til I have about $4000 for live $1-2 NL again. Id like to go to Vegas and try out the site, (should be no reason I couldn't make enough for rent + extra per week) but I fear id rent a place in the wrong location in vegas and Id still get the error message. where in vegas are u most likely to show up as NV? my phone is tmobile and should work. downtown? boulder Hwy? NLV blvd and Craig road? south of Mandalay Bay towards southpoint? across from the Orleans? next to Stratosphere? id hate to take the wrong place and then be stuck the weeks rent and the hassle of moving again. any one on here without a lot of money, living in a cheap apt complex, and having zero issues being listed as NV? If so maybe I should live there.

Maybe I should move to Elko, that's deep enough in the state id think id show up as NV. anyone in Elko successfully online?

anyway Dax don't forget the email
I just verified with our engineers that the buffer is only 1.5km. You shouldn't have trouble in Jean, NV. If you are having trouble, it's likely our loc-aid timeout issues, so keep your eyes peeled. As soon as we fix it I am going to make a very large post in the first post stating so.

Sorry that I couldn't get the engineers to email you directly. As you might imagine, they're swamped, just like support, trying to smooth out the cell phone issues.
05-02-2013 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WillCK
I'm not in NV and can't play at UP, but I would ask of some of the posters:

Cut these guys some slack....they just got done slogging through regulation hell...got some "ok" software developed and got legal US online poker going...making history in the process.

I am pretty sure they don't like having to make their customers jump through hoops (triangulation with only certain networks available) any more than you like jumping through hoops....Will there be less fish (pronounced tourists) because of this?...probably...but they have no options here....this is legal online poker on US soil...and I am sure it is regulated to within an inch of it's life.

Just give these guys a chance to help customers get registered...geolocated...and work on software issues/new games...etc..etc

This is a two day old baby here....it will be a while before it starts walking.
Nice post, totally agree
05-02-2013 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TicKinTiMeBomB
50bb poker? lulz
its easy Ultimate poker, you want a good site? copy every aspect of the best software out their currently(PS or FTP) every feature or thing they do just add to yours. then make tweaks from their. They been doing this for 10 years before you and got a lot of good things in place or solved by now based on Feedback. don't try and reinvent the wheel
I'm not sure how people don't understand. 50bb to start creates an environment to retain customers. Once their player base is solidified bigger games will come.

These comments show how short sighted many of you are. Build a site. Get people to come. Retain those who come. THEN once everything is set atart invreasing limits and buyins. It's very simple to understand.
05-02-2013 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Platinum
Why are you posts structured like poems? I can't help but read them in flow.

Also, although I'm not able to take advantage of UP, I think having a representative as thorough and lively as Dax appears is really good for the site. Your enthusiasm and fun-spirit is what online poker is/should be all about.
At the end of the day, we're here for the love of the game.

I snagged a video of our office today. I'm the guy who's had all the coffee.

05-02-2013 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nkstn
1.
- So.. what is to stop someone who knows someone in NV and use their phone number? IF I have a family member in NV I could just tell them 'hey whenever you get a text from "______" just accept.' (or whatever the process UP makes the texter do)

- Then obv. use a NV IP address?

2. What if someone from another state visits NV then plays and wins some, then goes back home? Can they send them a check to a different than NV address? Or what is that process?

1. We check for a variety of things to ensure someone's in Nevada, including looking for tunneled IPs, VPNs, remote desktop software, and so on. It's not impossible to play from outside of NV, but it's difficult, and we certainly don't condone it. We'll close your account, lickety split.

2. If someone wants to visit and play, they can do so, request a cashout (at the cage), and pick it up at any Station casino before they leave. There is some processing time, obviously. The best way to minimize this would be to deposit in cash and cashout in cash (then we know the funds aren't fraudulent - we can process these kinds of cashouts almost instantly - so long as you haven't WON a lot of money from a potentially fraudulent source.. then we have to review the play). Regardless - we'll prioritize the out of state cashouts pretty highly.
05-02-2013 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPointMachine
OK. I guess I am wrong. I assumed that regulations would require that somebody checked an ID at some point in the process. Of course, I also assumed that the cage at Boulder Station could do that. They informed me that they only do deposits and withdraws and could not verify my wife's ID.

So, a visitor is really supposed to email a copy of their ID before they can play?
If the visitor is not an American (or otherwise fails the SSN age check).

Basically we need to make sure you're legally able to play (21+). We can do this smoothly if you have an SSN and address that match. When it doesn't, we need to see ID.
05-02-2013 , 10:24 PM
Dax,

I live in Las Vegas and have a Ultimate Poker account. My phone provider is AT&T, and I have a Samsung x427m which doesn't have LTE. Still my account is "Account Status: Action Required"

Please help.
05-02-2013 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ChangeItUp
I'm not sure how people don't understand. 50bb to start creates an environment to retain customers. Once their player base is solidified bigger games will come.

These comments show how short sighted many of you are. Build a site. Get people to come. Retain those who come. THEN once everything is set atart invreasing limits and buyins. It's very simple to understand.
+1

There's a lot of art to creating a spread of games that works. Obviously our goal is to make "tables that everyone wants to play", but adding different games often has drastic effects.

Think about a player who has $200 in his account and wants to play some $0.50/$1.00 NL, but none of those tables are running. If there's a $1/2 table going though, he might be tempted to sit down (I *know* no one here would use such awful BR management, amirite?). If he sits down and loses his roll, he may feel kinda stupid and angry about the whole thing. You might suggest that that's a win for the guy who got the money, and good for him - but this player may not deposit again, may tell his friends not to play, that the site is rigged, etc etc. I think on the whole, this hurts the ecosystem.

If that same guy plays a game he wants ($0.25/.50 or .5/1), maybe he goes broke still, but he at least gets to play for several hours and gets some ups and downs out of it. The guy who gets his money in bad and gets there is the guy who's excited about it and will play again. Those are the guys who share stories with their friends, and help grow the whole economy.

Am I suggesting that growing the poker economy is as simple as making everyone play smaller? Nah, some people just live for the gamble. Look at some of the nosebleeders - not all of them got there the hard way. What I AM suggesting is that sometimes what's "good for you" in the short run isn't necessarily "good for you" in the long run.

Who knows, though. It's just an opinion, but we want to go slowly. As much clamoring as there is for 100bb tables and bigger limits, we don't want to overbalance. Small touches.
05-02-2013 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cyberfly
Dax,

I live in Las Vegas and have a Ultimate Poker account. My phone provider is AT&T, and I have a Samsung x427m which doesn't have LTE. Still my account is "Account Status: Action Required"

Please help.
Glad to have you aboard.

Click on the "Account Status" link at the top of the screen that says "Action Required", and have a read of the FAQ in the first post of this long thread.. There should be some tips there that can help you get into the games.
05-02-2013 , 10:29 PM
I was able to get verified. I forgot how nice it is to grab my notebook and jump into an online game anytime I want. So this is what personal freedom feels like.
05-02-2013 , 10:35 PM
Question: with the regulated poker being launched in the u.s recently umm is mastercard/visa now letting people withdrawing/depositing money to online poker sites??

i basically always had to withdraw international* checks which takes forever to get to me + clear, would be lovely if visa cards now can be used to deposit/withdraw now

Last edited by Exothermic; 05-02-2013 at 10:45 PM.
05-02-2013 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
I was able to get verified. I forgot how nice it is to grab my notebook and jump into an online game anytime I want. So this is what personal freedom feels like.
05-02-2013 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Question: with the regulated poker being launched in the u.s recently umm is mastercard/visa now letting people withdrawing/depositing money to online poker sites??

i basically always had to withdraw internal checks which takes forever to get to me + clear, would be lovely if visa cards now can be used to deposit/withdraw now
The issue around VISA has (at least, with respect to us as online poker players) the merchant code. You have to identify the purchase with a merchant code - online gambling has almost always had 7995. 7995 purchases are high risk. Very very high incidence of fraud and chargebacks, and when this happens, the bank gets burned. Usually the merchant does, too, but it's a hassle and a lot of work for the banks. Over time, most issuing banks simply refused to honor 7995 transactions - blanket deny them, and they won't have to deal with them.

This is a good time for online poker for us - since we're in a regulated and legal environment, we expect things to change. I can't speak about what's coming down the pipe, but I expect that things going forward are NOT going to be like things in the past. Credit cards are a huge part of what we work on from day to day. If we get credit cards, I think you're going to see the second big poker boom as the casual player returns to the tables. The kind of player who isn't willing to pick up drop phones or send money to transaction processors overseas. The player who is genuinely going to be afraid of transactions labeled "EGOLF STORE SLOVENIA ECHECK DEPOSIT NO SERIOUSLY THIS IS SAFE WE PROMISE".

If you make a deposit to & from Ultimate Poker, that's how it's going to show up on your billing statement. There's no reason to hide in a regulated environment.

Anyway, sorry for the diatribe - the bottom line is we fully intend to support all credit cards. Timelines? I can't speak about those, but keep an eye on this thread. I'll toppost any important developments.
05-02-2013 , 10:56 PM
Boost mobile is prepaid on sprint network, does that work?
05-02-2013 , 11:00 PM
Why is there no 6max small stakes tables? Will this change?
05-02-2013 , 11:05 PM
Dax,

Thank you very much for your quick reply and help.

I bought my phone so long ago, I had a text message block on it. Called AT&T, had them unblock text messages. Answered UPOKER message with "yes" and now I am "active" and playing.

Thanks again.
05-02-2013 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker
If you're on Verizon and not able to play (and want to!), by all means, call them! (1-800-922-0204, then #, 6, 6 when it asks for your number, then enter the last four of your social).
Lol couldn't even get my complaints in to verizon correctly.
Any hints as to which department or individual to contact at Verizon?
You do realize the Canucks won't win a game until Verizon gets on board?
05-02-2013 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker
After a long day of slogging through rotten tomatos thrown at us, it's great to hear a success story.

Thanks for heading out to buy a burner phone. Best of luck on the tables.
I think your launch was a success story. I have talked to a few friends in Vegas who have played (no complaints since the captcha was increased to 1/10,000) and to a few media members covering this story and I think almost everyone agrees this is a smashing success. If your biggest problem was taking a few days to verify people, that's a success.
05-02-2013 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fieldsofmars
I don't really understand why this Verizon issue is such a big problem. Can't people who use Verizon just send in their Nevada state ID? They already have to be playing on a Nevada IP to begin with. They also have an option of putting in their Station Casinos #. Can't that also prove they are local if the information from Station Casinos has a Nevada address? Or how about have people who use Verizon's have to physically call Ultimate Poker and verify who they are (from the 702 Verizon number). This would also help people who have land line numbers. I know there aren't many but there could be a few fish who do not use cell phones.

It just seems ridiculous to me that people playing from Nevada IPs with a Nevada ID can't play on here just because they use Verizon as their cell phone service (or do not have a cell phone).
Yeah this all makes complete sense

Try reading
05-02-2013 , 11:42 PM
I just had my first issue outside of general gameplay upgrades.

I just got home and had my phone in same place as always except it was plugged into PC to charge. I opened up UP and it said it couldn't verify Nevada location. I closed UP. Restarted phone. Now things are back to normal.
05-02-2013 , 11:50 PM
Dax

My wife has a Cantor Sports Betting account. She can log in on desktop PC without any smartphone involved. Only wi-fi. Are you saying that U.P. has a different set of regulations to adhere to than Cantor?? It sounds like your legal/legislative people shot themselves in the foot if they agreed to this provision.
05-03-2013 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

Well played!

      
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