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Those hard-core players, and all the regular patrons of Station Casinos, and all the people driving past Station Casinos, and all the people that read newspapers and are generally interested in gaming.

i've already had a casual player see it in USA Today and told me thinking he was breaking the news to me

05-02-2013 , 12:29 PM

#1277

Videopro

Making TV

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,240

Quote:

Originally Posted by parisron

I have been able to get location verified and play since I used wifi in my hotel room. However today using the same setup in same room, on 2 different occasions when I tried to log into site it took me 3 attempts before I was location verified.

It was posted earlier that there may be a timeout issue in play from the location verification provider, that has to be adjusted. This is what may be bagging you.

05-02-2013 , 12:39 PM

#1278

parisron

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 19,742

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professionalpoker

It was posted earlier that there may be a timeout issue in play from the location verification provider, that has to be adjusted. This is what may be bagging you.

hopefully when they fix that will let me get verified while using my phone as hotspot.

05-02-2013 , 12:46 PM

#1279

A MTT PRO

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 610

Super jealous of you, Nevada! As an East Coast player I guess I will continue to send my money offshore.......
Hopefully the rest of the U.S.A. states see how this is a good thing and get on board soon.

05-02-2013 , 12:49 PM

#1280

Dax @UltimatePoker

Deactivated Rep Account

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 408

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohjoh

Any idea what software would cause this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohjoh

Very easy to spoof location in an app, much harder to spoof location using triangulation of cell towers. IMO

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05-02-2013 , 12:50 PM

#1281

SretiCentV

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,695

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfmanNYC

What about RDC? I don't see how they could detect that. Although RDC might be painfully slow.

RDC is not painfully slow. I have done it to other countries just to even get a look at some sites' software and it worked quite well. However, I did RDC from my laptop to my work comp just to see how traffic was looking and I got that warning about remote connections being refused.

There are definitely opportunities for improvements for Ultimate but with respect to not breaking the law, it's clear they put a big emphasis on it.

05-02-2013 , 01:04 PM

#1282

ZeroPointMachine

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,816

This is the technology they are using for location verification. It works great on the five phones(somebody try it on a Verizon phone) I have used. There seem to be some major issues in the implementation.

loc-aid demo

05-02-2013 , 01:08 PM

#1283

dansm

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 52

I don't know what software UP uses for phone triangulation, but try loc-aid detects verizon or any brand phone, 4g, lte etc... no problem - here's a link to a free demo, any chance to get UP to upgrade it's cell locating software - it's pretty weak (lots of brands out there)

took it 5 seconds to locate my phone

https://instantlocatedemo.loc-aid.com/

05-02-2013 , 01:13 PM

#1284

Videopro

Making TV

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,240

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroPointMachine

I ran this on my verizon mobile and they were within a 1/2 mile.

05-02-2013 , 01:22 PM

#1285

ZeroPointMachine

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,816

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansm

They are using loc-aid through another vendor. I don't know all the details but I think their payment processing vendor is also responsible for location verification. So, the system request has to go from UP, to another vendor, thru loc-aid, and back. Somewhere in that mess there is an issue.

05-02-2013 , 01:32 PM

#1286

Dax @UltimatePoker

Deactivated Rep Account

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 408

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjljr2

Is there a way to determine ahead of time if your cell situation will work? I would hate to go through the whole process (and risk?) of entering all my personal identification information only to find out that my location cannot be verified. It would be cool if you could enter your cell phone number (and whatever other minimal information required to allow the location request to proceed) and find out if this particular issue is going to effect you.

So, we're starting to try to untangle the cell phone triangulation thing. Ideally we want it to work for everyone, without fail. However, it seems that possibly the reason it's failing is that some towers take a very long time to report the location.

We use a company called "LocAID" for this. If you'd like, try using their web based applet to locate you and note the time. If it's less than about 10 seconds, you *shouldn't* have problems locating. You can find this here:

http://instantlocatedemo.loc-aid.com/

My cell phone (centrally located) locates in about 6 seconds and I've never had a problem logging into our development environments.

05-02-2013 , 01:35 PM

#1287

dansm

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 52

[/QUOTE]We use a company called "LocAID" for this. If you'd like, try using their web based applet to locate you and note the time. If it's less than about 10 seconds, you *shouldn't* have problems locating. You can find this here:

http://instantlocatedemo.loc-aid.com/

My cell phone (centrally located) locates in about 6 seconds and I've never had a problem logging into our development environments.[/QUOTE]

i have t-mobil non lte, locaid reports my henderson location in under 5 seconds - still can't verify location with UP

05-02-2013 , 01:38 PM

#1288

Sect7G

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,234

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottyy

Yes, plus I'll throw in a grand slam breakfast at the Wild Wild West Dennys if you deposit today!

Scott

Pure Gold!!!

05-02-2013 , 01:42 PM

#1289

moe008

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1

can someone plzzz help me ....when i open ultimate poker the progam shuts down and says remote access software is not compatible with ultimate poker....im a vegas resident plzz help been tryn for 2 days..

05-02-2013 , 01:47 PM

#1290

ZeroPointMachine

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,816

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

I have literally tried running the demo and logging on simultaneously. Demo finds me in as little as 5 seconds. UP client has yet to find me

I am getting ready to start my 30 mile tour of Starbucks from Nellis to Rainbow with my laptop, AT&T smart phone and T-mobile burner.

05-02-2013 , 01:47 PM

#1291

BGnight

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,997

Quote:

Originally Posted by z4reio

Asking about taxes IS trying not to screw with the IRS. The other poster that mentioned that the site would be netting the difference is far off what is accepted by the IRS today, and if you submitted your taxes that way you'd get screwed.

Explain to me how I'd get "screwed" if I netted my gambling winnings

05-02-2013 , 01:52 PM

#1292

IMM

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGnight

So I live in Reno and deposited $300 via ach yesterday. That was the most they allowed and it's barely enough to play. I've since tried to deposit via same method and it wont let another transaction go through. I can't do bank wire as UP's instruction link doesn't currently work. This is troublesome as there's really no easy way for anyone in northern Nevada to get money on when they want it. I tried emailing them but don't see getting a response within 48 hours either.

You can also mail them a check.

05-02-2013 , 01:54 PM

#1293

juicedup

banned

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 138

any price on how long this site lasts

05-02-2013 , 01:56 PM

#1294

Dax @UltimatePoker

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So the way it essentially works is that we have an agreement with Verifi, who has an agreement with loc-aid. We need a separate agreement with cell phone carriers to leverage loc-aid's service against. Loc-aid has their own agreement with cell phone carriers for their demo program.

If you're on Verizon and not able to play (and want to!), by all means, call them! (1-800-922-0204, then #, 6, 6 when it asks for your number, then enter the last four of your social).

05-02-2013 , 01:56 PM

#1295

Dax @UltimatePoker

Deactivated Rep Account

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 408

Quote:

Originally Posted by juicedup

any price on how long this site lasts

How much action you laying, and how often do we settle?

05-02-2013 , 01:59 PM

#1296

Horribleplay702

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 860

Am I building station points for playing? I'm giving all this rake =(

05-02-2013 , 02:02 PM

#1297

vegasdanes

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGnight

U.P. stated that it can take up to 4 days for a depositing check to clear and that if you want to deposit a 2nd time during the wait...you need to use one of the other methods to deposit until the first check clears.

05-02-2013 , 02:03 PM

#1298

dansm

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 52

[QUOTE=Dax @UltimatePoker;38327240]So the way it essentially works is that we have an agreement with Verifi, who has an agreement with loc-aid. We need a separate agreement with cell phone carriers to leverage loc-aid's service against. Loc-aid has their own agreement with cell phone carriers

So it's more of an Verifi issue, if you directly reach an agreement with loc-aid this can be avoided - more of a business decision gone bad, than an actual software issue - at least we got to the bottom of it. any chance you guys will partner with loc-aid directly or any of the myriad of location services in the near future?

05-02-2013 , 02:04 PM

#1299

ZeroPointMachine

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,816

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax @UltimatePoker

I have literally tried running the demo and logging on simultaneously. Demo finds me in as little as 5 seconds. UP client has yet to find me

I am getting ready to start my 30 mile tour of Starbucks from Nellis to Rainbow with my laptop, AT&T smart phone and T-mobile burner.

05-02-2013 , 02:04 PM

#1300

BGnight

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,997

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMM

You can also mail them a check.

And hopefully play next week? It's 2013. I can't bank wire. I can't ach. I can't use a CC. I can't go to a casino and deposit and there's no way to get a hold of support via email due to the enormous amount they're receiving. This launch is kind of a huge fail for N Nevada residents (a huge portion of the player pool).

Dax, what up?

Oh, and I CAN'T mail a check. The instruction link for that is broken too. So there is literally no way for me to get money on their site. That is sort of a huge fail if you launch a product that cannot be accessed by your customer base.

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