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04-30-2013 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Be wary of signing up early. A lifetime of rakeback is a way better deal than being one of the first players.
Good point, but from all the material I have read about Ultimate Poker (specifically the CMO's interview), they do NOT plan on having any form of rake back or affiliate deals that affect the user.
04-30-2013 , 03:18 PM
What limits are available for cash games and what are the buy-in ranges for tournaments?
04-30-2013 , 03:19 PM
Finally got registered. Using Chrome instead of IE fixed the "Iovation Error" problem. Not sure why the software kept opening the link in IE when my default browser is Chrome. Now I get this:

04-30-2013 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ElevenGrover
It isn't about whether the UltimateBet scammers have access to your software. It is a question of your company rewarding the UltimateBet scammers with business (essentially the poker community rewarding them) after they built their company on the back of cheating players.

By extension, you are aligning your product with fraudsters, why would players be strongly inclined to believe your pronouncements of who has access? Obv back in the day, UB claimed that nobody could see hole cards and that didn't work out so well.
is an industry standard anti fraud check. To convince them to drop them you have to offer a better fraud check, or at least one that is good enough, instead.

Who do you suggest?
04-30-2013 , 03:19 PM
re:rakeback , its too early for that but when other sites start going live theyll start competing for player pools thats when you'll start seeing vip programs / rakeback stuff .
04-30-2013 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
You will need a "big 4" cell phone to triangulate your location while you're here, though (and Verizon is .. not accepting our triangulation requests, yet).
Daxonovitch - after inital setup (within NV state), what prevents a player from playing through a VPN connection that is based in NV with a valid Nevada IP?
Or is play limited to only cellular IPs coming from the "big 4"?
04-30-2013 , 03:20 PM
So its 21 to play now? I'm 23 but was the change needed?
04-30-2013 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by debacle
@Dax

I realize it's a topic you don't want to discuss, but I think ignoring our concerns damages PR more than saying something like, "We'll be answering this question before the week is out."

So, I would like to ask you, directly, to comment on the fact that Ultimate Poker is using software from Iovation, whose CEO and founder is Greg Piersen.

Please and thank you.
Sorry for the delay. Things have been pretty hectic today, as you can imagine. Way more response than we expected - we're thrilled (and thrilled you're thrilled, and thrilled you're thrilled we're thrilled you're thrilled).

IOVation is licensed by Nevada to be a vendor, and if that changes, we'll change. The Gaming Commission pulls apart your life in one of those arduous and thorough processes I know of.

Again, (and I'm sure I'll be saying this a lot), we have zero connection with Ultimate Bet. We have no people, no software, no tools that they used. In fact - our software has been *deeply* rooted by the lab and by the Gaming Commission. We're proud of our software and our people.
04-30-2013 , 03:20 PM
I vote we call today: treefiddy Tuesday! Cause we're all going to be rubbing fiddies on our titties today

(/horrible joke)
04-30-2013 , 03:21 PM
Don't intend to sleight people like you who try to be watchdogs, rather point out the marketing value of the name they chose. It's clear they want to piggyback on UFC name recognition and I'm sure are willing to ride out the comments of a few UB worriers.

But by the way, if someone writes something positive about this site, they're a shill? I see how you think. Actually, I just have an opinion. I have no connection whatsoever to any online site.

If you have concerns with their site, maybe you should raise them to the Nevada Gaming Control Board. That's something you could never do with any real money site ever before. I'm certain they would be most interested in any legitimate concerns.

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Originally Posted by ElevenGrover
Controversy extenders? doomed - history - repeat



Oh I see, you're a shill. Industry standard by what measurement? If you mean a bunch of industries where shadiness is the rule like payday lenders, adult-oriented dating sites and offshore sportsbooks, then yeah. If you mean where real financial organizations like Wells Fargo, et al or even a company like PokerStars, then no.

If iovation is piggybacking on a 3rd party to get around Nevada licensing, that will be most interesting.

Perhaps it is useful to recall that FTP was iovation's largest customer and iovation was primarily responsible for many of the mysterious account closures without explanation.
04-30-2013 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hood
Dax, can you answer the question re. the 50BB stacks?

PA: Terrence Chan going on Quad Jacks in a min.
We're discussing the 100BB tables, we just don't want newer players to get too chopped up too quickly. Lots of great feedback about this. How would you feel about a period of time every evening with 100 BB tables? Something like 8pm-2am?
04-30-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sabrejack
Anyway, big props to the founders of this site and best of luck to them. They'll have some launch glitches like anyone, but timing the launch right before WSOP, signing Esfandiari, and their efforts to be transparent immediately bode well for their future.

Everyone here should just be part of their braintrust and make suggestions to them on anything they think needs improvement--that's how we all can help make this thing (the only thing we have) go.
Cheers and ditto.
04-30-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by oneeyedwillie
Site wont let me play with my VPN activated. FYI
By design. We have to make sure you're in Nevada. Sorry.
04-30-2013 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hood
"going to have 100BB stacks in the future," and implying that it would be quite soon, says poker room manager dude on QJ show.
Yep. That's ScottyY, who's also poked his head up in this thread.
04-30-2013 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whydowe_fall
Is there a particular reason the software continually logs me out after about one minute?
Huh. I can't say I've seen that one myself. Shoot us an email at playercare@ultimatepoker.com, and if you can describe the problem (you know, what operating system, what browser, what else you see or might be doing that you think might contribute to it), they can get in touch with our engineers.
04-30-2013 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
The whole rakeback thing and affiliate locking are done.

These are smart guys. Some of whom are from pokerstars. Don't expect revenue share or anything other than a VIP program.

You might be able to get something for signing up at some point, but it won't be rakeback.
Pokerstars gives affiliates revenue share (if they want it).
04-30-2013 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
By design. We have to make sure you're in Nevada. Sorry.
But what if the VPN's IP resides in Nevada - that should work fine?
04-30-2013 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
We're discussing the 100BB tables, we just don't want newer players to get too chopped up too quickly. Lots of great feedback about this. How would you feel about a period of time every evening with 100 BB tables? Something like 8pm-2am?
either offer them or don't, i don't like the idea of only grinding after 8pm. if you want to keep them at 50bb tables for the rest of the site's lifetime just to keep players playing more, that's fine, but i think it's ridic to offer these tables only at certain times of the day.

i do have two questions. i just signed up and i believe because my station boarding pass card thing has a different mailing address listed than my account i just opened it didn't verify me right away. i can still open the deposit menu but i haven't tried to deposit. if i go down to green valley ranch and deposit $ right now before i've had my ID verified, will i be able to play?

also, my roommate signed up and accidentally put his first name in the last name spot and his last name in the first name spot on his account. we have no idea how to get this fixed.
04-30-2013 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
I haven't played online in a while, but did the major poker sites have tables with 150-200bb max buy-ins, or was everything pretty much 100bb max?
It's varied a lot over the years in my recollection, but it seems that 20-100xBB were sort of standard. We've had a lot of discussions about what people "like" to play. Believe it or not, the biggest thing I've been casually asked for in the past few months is anonymous playing. No HUDs, no datamining, no sharkscope, just "player001 wins pot against player002".

Let me know what you guys like. Personally, I don't mind playing deep or short. I would like to someday have some coinflip tables (blinds $50,000/$100,000, min/max buyins equal to each other). I used to really like flipping after cashing (or bubbling) an MTT. I'm a donk, though.
04-30-2013 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
But what if the VPN's IP resides in Nevada - that should work fine?
dude this guy works for the site, don't ask him questions about circumventing the law. they should have plenty of ways to detect VPNs. and i'm fairly certain 2p2 frowns upon discussing these things in the first place.
04-30-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Daxonovitch
Sorry for the delay. Things have been pretty hectic today, as you can imagine. Way more response than we expected - we're thrilled (and thrilled you're thrilled, and thrilled you're thrilled we're thrilled you're thrilled).

IOVation is licensed by Nevada to be a vendor, and if that changes, we'll change. The Gaming Commission pulls apart your life in one of those arduous and thorough processes I know of.

Again, (and I'm sure I'll be saying this a lot), we have zero connection with Ultimate Bet. We have no people, no software, no tools that they used. In fact - our software has been *deeply* rooted by the lab and by the Gaming Commission. We're proud of our software and our people.
Hey, thanks for the reply!

Regarding your software/site I trust that you're legit. I just kind of hate the idea that Greg Pierson will again be profiting (however slightly, and this time legally) from online poker players again.
04-30-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zippy
But what if the VPN's IP resides in Nevada - that should work fine?
Its comments like these that make them have these strict restrictions in the first place.

I would suggest you stop asking a company representative how to break their rules. Its kind of like going up to a security officer in a casino and asking where the best place to smoke pot is ... figure it out yourself if you want to break laws.
04-30-2013 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
dude this guy works for the site, don't ask him questions about circumventing the law. they should have plenty of ways to detect VPNs. and i'm fairly certain 2p2 frowns upon discussing these things in the first place.
There are plenty of legit reasons why a person IN the state of NV would be connecting to a VPN IN the same state (work firewalls, etc).

Yes, while this could also be used to play outside of NV, i was simply asking it it worked - or MUST the player always play via a cellular connection?
04-30-2013 , 03:33 PM
Happy to have online poker back in some way in the U.S., and I hope that Ultimate Poker grows to be as large as Pokerstars once was in the U.S. somehow, once it is regulated federally/nationally. It will also be great to have large sites competing with each other so we can get the lowest rake and highest rakeback deals possible
04-30-2013 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DayTripping
"Games will be as small as 25-cent bet tournaments and $300 limit table."

You can always tell when these articles are written by people who don't know anything about poker.
These people are our best allies.

Interesting story about compliance - it took several hours and examining reports for us to figure out that they always assumed 5/10 FL was the same blind structure as 5/10 NL. The look of bewilderment when I explained that "five ten isn't really five ten" was total deer-in-headlight quality.

      
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